The IDF operates under a government including genocidal ministers.
Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)
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No, of course not. They just tripped and fell and accidentally killed over 50,000 people over a period of 6 months and continue to do so every day, unintentionally.
How long has the occupation lasted for?
Did it start on 7th of October?
Clearly not so those events can't be seen in isolation as your presenting them.
You are disingenuous... I could think of some more words too but wont
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Hmmm... worrying views given that you are one of the more intelligent and sophisticated/erudite members of your religion.
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BlueRockape
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Deplorable what these cunts are doing in our name
Well the Brexit debate is always conducted in such a civilised and polite and balanced way and that is a difference of opinion on important things like whether we should trade with Johnny Foreigner or have a blue passport!
So surely we should all be able to discuss cold-blooded slaughter of children, shooting medics in ambulances and starving people at food aid points and the destruction of every hoospital in Gaza in a nice calm way, shouldn't we?
The Fat el Hombre
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*sigh*
Ok we'll do this again. Here's a list of (respected) people and organisations who do say it's a genocide. This collection of experts includes holocaust survivors, scholars, Israeli historians, doctors who have been in Gaza, and more:
Amnesty International - "Amnesty International investigation concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza" Link
UN Special Committee - "UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war" Link
Amos Goldberg, professor of Holocaust History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem - "Yes, it is genocide" Link
Daniel Blatman, Israeli Historian - "This is precisely what genocide looks like" Link
Doctors Against Genocide - "Canadian Doctors Returning from Gaza Call for an End to Canada’s Complicity in Genocide" Link
Human Rights Watch - "Israel’s Crime of Extermination, Acts of Genocide in Gaza" Link
Renowned genocide and Holocaust researchers from six countries (including Israel) - ""Can I name someone whose work I respect who does not think it is genocide? No, there is no counterargument that takes into account all the evidence," Israeli researcher Raz Segal told NRC." Link
Stephen Kapos, Holocaust survivor - "We Jews who survived all this pain, killings, humiliation and destruction are against the use of the memory of the Holocaust by the Government of Israel as cover and justification for the ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank" Link
EU’s former top diplomat Josep Borrell - "We’re facing the largest ethnic cleansing operation since the end of the second world war in order to create a splendid holiday destination once all the millions of tonnes of rubble have been cleared from Gaza and the Palestinians have died or gone away" Link
More holocaust survivors - "We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people." Link
There are databases logging the genocidal rhetoric here . Some examples:
Yoav Gallant (Minister of Defense) -“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly"
Isaac Herzog (President) - "“It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved, it’s absolutely not true." Also ""There are no innocent civilians in Gaza""
It was actually being debated as to whether this is a genocide as early as October 2023 - 800+ Legal Scholars - "As scholars and practitioners of international law, conflict studies, and genocide studies, we are compelled to sound the alarm about the possibility of the crime of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip" Link
Let's have a little reminder as to what israel has done and what we've lived through since then:
Murdered 20,000 kids, with total official deaths around 55,000 people, but with Doctors on the ground and the Lancet saying that this number is actually in the hundreds of thousands
Bombing schools
Bombing hospitals
Bombing places of worship
Dropping White phosphorus on civilians
Gang raping prisoners
Protesting for the right to rape prisoners
Having prisoners rapists on tv
Singing songs about raping and killing Palestinian women and children
Shooting toddlers multiple times in the head
Dressing up in clothes from families they've just killed
Running over people in tanks and bulldozers
Burning people alive
Burning olive trees
Pouring concrete down wells
Poisoning animals
Attacking disabled people with dogs
Chasing after 4 year olds and breaking their arms and legs
Using bulldozers to block ambulances
Shooting diplomats and irish peacekeepers
Banning journalists
Executing 15 red crescent workers, burying them with bulldozers, lying that they were a threat but forgetting to take a red. Crescent workers phone which then proves that e earthing that you lied about was indeed bullshit
Using 80 year old man as a human shield with a bomb tied around his neck and then then killing him and his wife anyway
Killing 11 year old influencers
Shooting old women walking the street with their 5 year old grandson whilst waving a white flag
Genocide tourism (Boat rides and viewing points to watch the bombs drop on Gaza)
Referring to palestinian babies as terrorists
Blocking aid trucks
Killing a doctors 9 children
Leaving babies in incubators to die
"Where's daddy" - AI that targets palestinians families at their homes and murders them
Creating largest cohort of child amputees in the world
Turning distribution of food into squid game
Bulldozing cemeteries
Flying drones playing the sound of children crying to lure people out and then shooting them
Starving babies to death because they wont allow baby formula in
Creating a new acronym - "WCNSF (Wounded Child, No Surviving Family). Thousands, possibly tens of thousands of children fall into this category
To say "but if there was intent it'd be ten times that number", after all this, is an absolutely fucking disgusting thing to say.
People need to realise what we're dealing with here. This isn't some petty internet argument, we are living through the first ever live streamed genocide. How people behave and what they did during this genocide will be remembered forever. People's children will ask them what they did during this period.
The Israel lobby ensures that our media and politicians are complicit in this genocide. We as a country provide assistance and intelligence to the israeli forces to commit daily war crimes, which makes the UK active participants in this genocide.
Those who had the bollocks to speak up during this genocide, like Bob Vylan, will be remembered kindly. The cowards who have stayed silent throughout this genocide, despite knowing that we're supposed to speak up against this, and that never again was supposed to mean never again for everyone, will have to live with the shame for the rest of their lives, and everyone will remember what cowards they were. As for those who are still denying this genocide (and effectively continuing to enable it), well, we'll see how that pans out for you.
Not British planes. Israeli planes landing at Brize Norton.
Still facilitating the genocide.
hilts
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You don't read the room you see dead and maimed kids and say it's fucking wrong and give the cunts behind it nothing but grief.
mancity2012_eamo
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Tremendous post.
BobKowalski
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The most innocent explanation is that they are refuelling between Israel and the USA. But why are going to the USA? To collect weapons?
BobKowalski
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Possible I guess. The logistics just seemed weird to me. The UK is not an obvious refuelling point given the location of the conflict - I say conflict but it is more of an ethnic cleansing at this point.
The same goes for spy planes. Again, I’m not sure why there would be UK spy planes involved.
Anyway, as I said. Just struck me as weird.
Yes, but did they so it deliberately?
This, btw is imo NOT off-topic with this thread, because it was literally pretty much a large part of the point of their stunt. And everyone else's at Glastonbury that made similar gestures, albeit with less controversial/inappropriate wording. Which from what I have seen (and that's a lot) was a good 50% of the bands, if not more.
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Not deliberate intent? That makes no sense at all. All intent is deliberate, no? Unless I'm missing something?
It's already been established that a whole population doesn't need to be killed for the threshold of genocide to be reached. Pockets of populations over lengthy periods of time, targeted because of their ethnicity, still qualifies as genocide. That's what the IDF have been doing. It's been corroborated by authorities that matter on this issue; as addressed by that sensational post a few pages along.
That's not an argument. "Please don't say this because it's distasteful" is not a retort to an extremely valid point that if Israel wanted to genocide Palestine then it has the tools to do so in about a day.
So it's not genocide because they are wiping them out slowly, when they could be doing it more quickly?
But a slow genocide is fine?