The Labour Government

[blueinsa]

They have zero polices, suspensions all over the place and constant links to racism. Why would people vote for them.

Harsh on Labour but at least you’ve finally opened your eyes.

 

[blueinsa]

Unemployment up to 4.7%

Further and faster….

 

[philfodenswristsock]

And despite all that ..... they are still a better alternative to the Tories (at least they're sorting shit out )

They're SUPPOSED to be better than the Tories. I'm not gonna give them ANY points for simply being better than the Toffs. What was needed was wholesale change. What we got was childish nonsense, factionalism, lies, forced U turns and a diminishing of party and the countrys reputation as the support for THE CRIME was doubled down upon. They are horrific. He is terrible. He's so cooked, he will undoubtedly start a war. A dangerous, nasty and compromised man.

 

[Kompany Car]

Unemployment up to 4.7%

Further and faster….

Interest rate cut incoming, but how much will Bailey need to do to restore confidence in businesses hiring. The words further and faster may be very true in this instance.

 

[mosssideblue]

They're SUPPOSED to be better than the Tories. I'm not gonna give them ANY points for simply being better than the Toffs. What was needed was wholesale change. What we got was childish nonsense, factionalism, lies, forced U turns and a diminishing of party and the countrys reputation as the support for THE CRIME was doubled down upon. They are horrific. He is terrible. He's so cooked, he will undoubtedly start a war. A dangerous, nasty and compromised man.

Do you not give them any credit for anything positive they have achieved in their first year?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Interest rate cut incoming, but how much will Bailey need to do to restore confidence in businesses hiring. The words further and faster may be very true in this instance.

Bailey is utterly incompetent. Continually gets his predictions and therefore his interest rate policies wrong.

 

[Kompany Car]

Bailey is utterly incompetent. Continually gets his predictions and therefore his interest rate policies wrong.

Now im no economist (Physicist by degree, Engineer by trade) but trying to control long term cost push inflation with high interest rates is madness. The only thing it really does is strengthen the pound so reduces import costs, but the pain it causes outweighs the benefits. We need more intervention by government in the markets for the essentials such as energy costs and food, the problem is that it costs money to offset it which due to the self imposed tight fiscal rules we dont have.

Whilst I know its not environmentally great. Opening up some of the remaining oil supplies in the North Sea to bring down energy costs but recovering more tax from it to invest in the so called GB Energy by acceleration of the renewables/energy storage build would for me seem to be a viable if not completely palatable option to start to get the cost push inflation under control.

Increasing interest rates post COVID where there was pent up demand for goods and services was the right thing to do as we were dealing with demand pull inflation, but that time has now passed.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Now im no economist (Physicist by degree, Engineer by trade) but trying to control long term cost push inflation with high interest rates is madness. The only thing it really does is strengthen the pound so reduces import costs, but the pain it causes outweighs the benefits. We need more intervention by government in the markets for the essentials such as energy costs and food, the problem is that it costs money to offset it which due to the self imposed tight fiscal rules we dont have.

Whilst I know its not environmentally great. Opening up some of the remaining oil supplies in the north sea to bring down energy costs but recovering more tax from it to invest in the so called GB Energy by acceleration of the renewables/energy storage build would for me seem to be a viable if not completely palatable option to start to get the cost push inflation under control.

I agree with regards interest rates, it's a very blunt tool that doesn't do anything to change global supply chains and demand outside our domestic market. The BoE seem under Bailey seem to forget that a buoyant economy is just as important if not more so than low inflation. The last month is the first time I can ever recall Bailey mentioning cutting interest rates to stimulate the economy. He is so out of his depth in understanding his role.

The way the UK energy price is set based on gas (the highest cost supplier) needs to be changed to bring in market competition. I'm not sure opening up more NS oil and gas would bring down prices as the price is controlled by the international markets.

 

[Damocles]

The biggest problem with this Labour Government is that they've been totally unprepared for the massive and large scale PR war that they've lost on social media. I've never seen anything like it in my time following UK politics, it's akin to what happened in the US that led to Trump.

I saw a Sun article that went viral (again, third time round now) about how Starmer "worked for free as a lawyer to save baby killers and axe murderers" then listed their incredibly gruesome crimes including burying children alive, dismembering newborns, etc. Then said Starmer worked to save them.
In reality Starmer had never met any of them and didn't work on their cases. He worked for an international advocacy organisation to get the death penalty removed and helped lobby the Governments of these African states to remove the death penalty, which means years later these people were spared a lethal injection. That's how he "saved them".

The constant and ongoing onslaught of completely bullshit news (that a disappointing amount of City fans retweet onto my feed on X) towards this Labour Government is unprecedented. Its much worse than Corbyn got, and they labelled him a terrorist.

Social media is designed for reactionary views in terms of its development and psychology. It's a million times easier to quote a story of a brown person killing someone and saying "deport the Muslims" than it is to quote it and give a context based reply that's informed and constructive. So the "deport the Muslims" hits the algorithm better, gets more engagement and gets wider spread. And normalisation and radicalisation begins.

The centrist and centre-left parties worldwide have yet to deal with this problem. They don't understand the power of memes, the power of these media grifters who string together conspiracies, bad faith commentators only out to inflame rather than inform. Their only weapon against this is censorship or politics of shame and all that does is embolden their causes. You have to fight fire with fire but they don't understand how to do this. I know some pretty high up Labour people to greater or lesser degrees and their social media acumen in this type of meme world is absolutely zero. These are the people who want to ban Pepe the Frog, they are so far out of touch that they may as well be aliens.

 

[philfodenswristsock]

Do you not give them any credit for anything positive they have achieved in their first year?

Well. Two things with that I guess.

1. Exactly HOW BAD are the "Professional, Adults in the room" at communicating their 'succsesses'? This slick operation appears to be somewhat..well... amateur!

2. The mandate they were elected on was of huge, consequential change. I think the impression people got, as (hint hint) it wasn't specifically tied down... was of deep structural change. If they didn't actually know what that was, then the public at large could've helped them. Personally, i wanted a close look at our financial system the role of the BOE, the debt money system and the setting of interest rates by unelected commitee, but obviously other people might have had other ideas... I dont know... uurrrmmm... eradicating poverty, sorting out council housing, homlessness and reversing the failed privatisaion experiments etc.... Instead what we got was a ropey budget based around childish notions of 'black holes' which set the scene for Mr Charismatic to basically tell us austerity was coming back, everything was going to be shit (more great, slick communicatins) there's no money for our vulnerable who drain our society and the much needed infrastructure is a pipe dream... (but a shit load for war mongering it goes without saying)

They just aren't very good are they!

 

[Chippy_boy]

Convenient but at least they know exactly what to take from me and millions of others on PAYE every week eh

When you think about it, what do you expect?

Does the HMRC know how much you have an all of your bank accounts, savings accounts, investments, properties home and abroad and what they are worth (I know you are loaded, LOL)? No. How could they.

They see PAYE income and have the rights to check some bank accounts. But that's it. They have no idea how much anyone is worth.

 

[Chippy_boy]

And despite all that ..... they are still a better alternative to the Tories (at least they're sorting shit out )

What shit would that be? I must have missed it.

 

[threespires]

Do the right thing and vote Reform, you know it makes sense.

If choice A is shit and choice B is shit it doesn't automatically make sense to vote for Choice C simply because it's not A or B. I keep asking a question and no one answers me, what is it that Reform are going to do that would make things better and what gives you the confidence based on evidence to date that they would be able to do a good job?

You could equally ask, why do I think they can't do a good job? In which case I would point out that historically right-wing populist governments almost never ever deliver sustainable improvements for ordinary people. I'd also point out that some of the types of policies Reform have indicated they'd pursue will probably result in worse services for more money, for example if you think our healthcare model is inefficient per £ then go and have a look at the US one. I'd point out that the free market, low tax model Farage has always aligned himself with, has shown itself over decades to favour the rich rather than ordinary people. At which point I'd also note that Farage is a multi millionaire who hangs round with billionaires and despite his photo ops in pubs has no idea whatsoever about ordinary peoples lives. I'd point out that whilst going in hard on immigration might (in about a dozen areas of the country) provide some short term relief on housing and services pressures, pretty much every economic model out there suggests it will actually cause bigger problems than it solves. I'd point out that at least one Reform council leader is asking the government to loosen it's visa restrictions because she's realised the complexity of the issue. I'd point out that Farage personally has a long track record of using public office to enrich himself whilst doing as little as possible as part of that public service. I'd point out during Brexit he applied for and got a German passport so that any impacts other people felt, he could swerve. I'd point out the problems that exist already in the Reform controlled councils that suggest despite repeated promises over the years to built a functional political party, Farage is either unwilling or incapable of doing so. And so on.

As far as I can tell the one thing Reform has got going for it is a commitment to PR but then you can get that from other parties.

From what I can see voting Reform only makes obvious some sense if you are either a multi-millionaire or a racist or for some reason you actively want to live in a poundshop version of Trump's America. I don't believe the majority of Reform voters are those things, I think they are mostly ordinary understandably pissed off working class people. Assuming you don't fit into the three categories above, please tell what is it you expect to see happen that will improve your life? Why does it make sense ? Because I just can't see it. I can only see (very understandably) pissed off people jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire and to me that doesn't make sense at all.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The biggest problem with this Labour Government is that they've been totally unprepared for the massive and large scale PR war that they've lost on social media. I've never seen anything like it in my time following UK politics, it's akin to what happened in the US that led to Trump.

I saw a Sun article that went viral (again, third time round now) about how Starmer "worked for free as a lawyer to save baby killers and axe murderers" then listed their incredibly gruesome crimes including burying children alive, dismembering newborns, etc. Then said Starmer worked to save them.
In reality Starmer had never met any of them and didn't work on their cases. He worked for an international advocacy organisation to get the death penalty removed and helped lobby the Governments of these African states to remove the death penalty, which means years later these people were spared a lethal injection. That's how he "saved them".

The constant and ongoing onslaught of completely bullshit news (that a disappointing amount of City fans retweet onto my feed on X) towards this Labour Government is unprecedented. Its much worse than Corbyn got, and they labelled him a terrorist.

Social media is designed for reactionary views in terms of its development and psychology. It's a million times easier to quote a story of a brown person killing someone and saying "deport the Muslims" than it is to quote it and give a context based reply that's informed and constructive. So the "deport the Muslims" hits the algorithm better, gets more engagement and gets wider spread. And normalisation and radicalisation begins.

The centrist and centre-left parties worldwide have yet to deal with this problem. They don't understand the power of memes, the power of these media grifters who string together conspiracies, bad faith commentators only out to inflame rather than inform. Their only weapon against this is censorship or politics of shame and all that does is embolden their causes. You have to fight fire with fire but they don't understand how to do this. I know some pretty high up Labour people to greater or lesser degrees and their social media acumen in this type of meme world is absolutely zero. These are the people who want to ban Pepe the Frog, they are so far out of touch that they may as well be aliens.

Good post - but how do you fight fire with these people brainwashed and obssessed about hating Muslims and Migrants ? they want to blame and be angry at minorities - what can the left/centrists do to combat that on social media ? it's impossible.

 

[philfodenswristsock]

Now im no economist (Physicist by degree, Engineer by trade) but trying to control long term cost push inflation with high interest rates is madness. The only thing it really does is strengthen the pound so reduces import costs, but the pain it causes outweighs the benefits. We need more intervention by government in the markets for the essentials such as energy costs and food, the problem is that it costs money to offset it which due to the self imposed tight fiscal rules we dont have.

Whilst I know its not environmentally great. Opening up some of the remaining oil supplies in the North Sea to bring down energy costs but recovering more tax from it to invest in the so called GB Energy by acceleration of the renewables/energy storage build would for me seem to be a viable if not completely palatable option to start to get the cost push inflation under control.

Increasing interest rates post COVID where there was pent up demand for goods and services was the right thing to do as we were dealing with demand pull inflation, but that time has now passed.

Well said. Alluded to here.

 

[Kompany Car]

I'm not sure opening up more NS oil and gas would bring down prices as the price is controlled by the international markets.

Not directly, but its addition revenue for UK Plc to do something with which may start to solve the problem assuming its directed towards solving an issue that affects everyone rather than targeting money to specific groups.

When you have no money and you tell yourself you dont want to borrow any more, you need to monetise what you have remaining. Thatcher sold the family silver and instead of using the money to grow the UK, she handed it to banks and international investors who continue to milk the profits. What im suggesting is that the money gained from opening up oil and gas drilling should be put into energy security and only energy security which will eventually result in only nuclear and renewables with energy storage with a sizeable majority of those assets held and controlled by the UK government.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The biggest problem with this Labour Government is that they've been totally unprepared for the massive and large scale PR war that they've lost on social media. I've never seen anything like it in my time following UK politics, it's akin to what happened in the US that led to Trump.

I saw a Sun article that went viral (again, third time round now) about how Starmer "worked for free as a lawyer to save baby killers and axe murderers" then listed their incredibly gruesome crimes including burying children alive, dismembering newborns, etc. Then said Starmer worked to save them.
In reality Starmer had never met any of them and didn't work on their cases. He worked for an international advocacy organisation to get the death penalty removed and helped lobby the Governments of these African states to remove the death penalty, which means years later these people were spared a lethal injection. That's how he "saved them".

The constant and ongoing onslaught of completely bullshit news (that a disappointing amount of City fans retweet onto my feed on X) towards this Labour Government is unprecedented. Its much worse than Corbyn got, and they labelled him a terrorist.

Social media is designed for reactionary views in terms of its development and psychology. It's a million times easier to quote a story of a brown person killing someone and saying "deport the Muslims" than it is to quote it and give a context based reply that's informed and constructive. So the "deport the Muslims" hits the algorithm better, gets more engagement and gets wider spread. And normalisation and radicalisation begins.

The centrist and centre-left parties worldwide have yet to deal with this problem. They don't understand the power of memes, the power of these media grifters who string together conspiracies, bad faith commentators only out to inflame rather than inform. Their only weapon against this is censorship or politics of shame and all that does is embolden their causes. You have to fight fire with fire but they don't understand how to do this. I know some pretty high up Labour people to greater or lesser degrees and their social media acumen in this type of meme world is absolutely zero. These are the people who want to ban Pepe the Frog, they are so far out of touch that they may as well be aliens.

Media needs clicks, and articles telling people what they want to hear, gets more clicks. Simple as that.

I.e. the media follow and amplify opinion, not the other way around.

What's happening is absolutely expected when you have a government that has made howling mistakes and generally performed poorly, and which only 20% of the electorate (14% of the population) voted for. The media is sensibly courting the 86%, not the 14%.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Thatcher sold the family silver and instead of using the money to grow the UK, she handed it to banks and international investors who continue to milk the profits.

Actually I think there's much you and I agree upon but not the above.

The reality is that Thatcher sold off the state-owned assets ("privatised" them) and in return, RECEIVED money from investors, including international ones. She didn't give them money, quite the opposite. And how you figure she handed money to the banks?

 

[Hertzblue]

Unemployment up to 4.7%

Further and faster….

Unemployment up , Inflation up, Growth down - it wasn’t supposed to be like this was it ?
“ Adults in the room” my arse, they have behaved in words and actions like 6th form students , frankly it’s been pathetic.
As for unemployment- we still have Rayner’s employment bill to come - or Unemployment bill as it will turn out to be .

 

[ganganvince]

The "adults in the room" are nailing it. Fair play to them. It takes a special kind of political mastery to alienate 80% of the base!

They've successfully Re-launched the mortal enemy, ex leader Corbyn as the honest, believable alternative, (a man they spent time, money and political good will destroying)

They've moved The Labour Party into the territory of the Thatcherite Right, in an attempt to "eat the lunch" of Reform PLC, not realising people don't tend to buy the releases of cover bands.

They've proudly set us on an inevitable path to war with the victor's of WW2 while forgetting nobody will be heading off to fight for Kier Starmer

They've insured the vulnerable in society and anyone with a drop of compassion toward them will NEVER vote Labour again

They've been steadfast in their support of mass murder

They've instigated some highly authoritarian laws that even people of the muddle brained right will live to regret further down the line

They've set the economy on a dreadful downward spiral

And they've opened the publics eyes to who politicians ACTUALLY represent... THAT was supposed to be a secret!

Absolute geniuses. Adults in the room. Cool, no frills, no dramas politics managed by professionals.

Don't forget Taylor Swift tickets and free clothes.