Online Safety Bill - Thoughts?

[Chippy_boy]

It's very tough for a child to access a gambling website and place a bet, very tough unless they are literally stealing the ID and details of someone older and even then the person would find out.
I don't see why social media sites cant have similar controls.
You sound like throwing in the towel before even giving goverments a chance to do something, its the wrong attitude.

OK but the current law is not that. As it stands, it doesn't work. If you propose we come up with a better plan, then I agree.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'd suggest that kids who are younger (say up to around 13), increasingly have unrestricted access to the internet/tiktok etc., but they are much less likely to have enough control over devices to download apps. While that doesn't cut off all routes, it's still a barrier for many.

The overall act is clearly far from foolproof, but it's still a fence between kids and content we know they shouldn't be seeing. Some kids will climb the fence, others will see it and decide not to. What won't happen, which does now, is the kids who don't want to be on the other side of the fence (e.g. with self-harm content), end up being led there by an uncaring algorithm.

The interview this morning from Peter Kyle was pretty controversial, but one thing he did say was that it's not expected to stop 100% of kids- but even if it stops 60% that's a huge win.

You don't need an app. I can't imagine it stopping any kids tbh.

 

[bluenova]

You don't need an app. I can't imagine it stopping any kids tbh.

I did say that it wasn't cutting off all routes. I've got a child in this age group, and know a lot of his friends, and frankly there's no way most of them get round this easily - and despite what a lot of adults think about kids, they're not all super evil geniuses. Little barriers can make a difference.

There's also no way that most kids are desperate to view things like self-harm material, when they google "feeling down", but the current situation easily leads them down that path. If they have to now jump through a hoop, that will give pause to a lot.

 

[stonerblue]

You don't need an app. I can't imagine it stopping any kids tbh.

I doubt me 7 ear old will go to schoo and be shown how to get a vpn b her classmates

 

[Damocles]

What i am seeing on social media terrifies me for what my children will be seeing when they get to 11/12 years old with the way it is at the moment, luckily they're only 2 and 5 now and i feel more and more safety legislation will be bought in. Australia have started to lead the way.

Instead of banning all social media for kids, have you tried actively parenting them Instead?

 

[Vienna_70]

The online verification law might not be perfect, but something had to be done, and it’s a step in the right direction.

As for Farage saying he’d abolish it. Has he come up with an alternative?

The man’s a fucking scumbag!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Instead of banning all social media for kids, have you tried actively parenting them Instead?

No, ive not tried that. thanks for the tip.

 

[philfodenswristsock]

I forget who said it, but to paraphrase.. Totalitarianism won't arrive in Jackboots but instead in a nice suit and a friendly smile, drip dripped in under the auspice of public safety. I feel certain there would be a way to protect our kids from the darker corners of the Internet without crushing free speech, public dissent and the right to annonimity. Worth noting some women in Scotland were charged last week with 'Dangerous Driving' with (and i kid you not...) "Agrivated Terrorsm" Hard won freedoms and rights can quickly fall if let!

Regarding pornogrophy, maybe something not spoken about so much, but what is this going to do to the 1000s of people who lead loveless, sexless marriages but for whom the thought of divorse makes their blood run cold, the people for whom the access to fantasy, just about keeps them living. And on a much darker note, how many potential wrong-un's, presently keep their disgusting urges at bay via the same access and will they now be looking for other areas to scratch their horrid itches?

 

[Damocles]

No, ive not tried that. thanks for the tip.

Maybe its not the Government's job to parent your children and instead it's your responsibility to teach them about appropriate behaviour and monitor their safety?

Just a thought

 

[bluethrunthru]

I would have concerns about security tbh. I read a comment piece - I forget where - about a couple of weeks ago - may have been on the local Facebook page - where someone in town realised that as this was coming he may as well comply so slicked his hair back went unshaven for a couple of days then put a pair of his Mrs reading glasses on and went with facial recognition. All worked and that was ok. However that data is I understand not shared and not retained "on file" anywhere - correct? Well he reported that on the 26th of July he was auto verified on several sites that needed it with the same facial recognition and doctored up photo even though he hadn't gone through the process.

If thats true the idea its not shared is bollox and anyone who has signed up with credit card details better brace themselves for the next bill. Does anyone know if this can happen or has happened or is it a local scaremonger?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Who’s getting all these VPNs that they are talking about. Surely it’s not the youngsters but those older people who don’t want to be tracked when they’re watching porn, violence, or spreading hate?

 

[BridgyDids]

Is this ANOTHER thread on something that Nigel has just said?

 

[meltonblue]

Maybe its not the Government's job to parent your children and instead it's your responsibility to teach them about appropriate behaviour and monitor their safety?

Just a thought

It’s both, albeit not parent as such.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Maybe its not the Government's job to parent your children and instead it's your responsibility to teach them about appropriate behaviour and monitor their safety?

Just a thought

What good will that do when a child goes to school or his freinds house and they show him/her graphic porn and violence etc and the pressure to join social media when every other kid is on it ?

Perhaps it can be the responsibility of both and tech platforms to do all we can to protect them from online harm.

 

[RiversideBlue]

Who’s getting all these VPNs that they are talking about. Surely it’s not the youngsters but those older people who don’t want to be tracked when they’re watching porn, violence, or spreading hate?

Or streaming a city game on a Saturday afternoon?

 

[Damocles]

What good will that do when a child goes to school or his freinds house and they show him/her graphic porn and violence etc and the pressure to join social media when every other kid is on it ?

Perhaps it can be the responsibility of both and tech platforms to do all we can to protect them from online harm.

Because its your job to teach your children to be responsible and handle these types of events. You can't just ask the Government to ban something because it's difficult to parent.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Because its your job to teach your children to be responsible and handle these types of events. You can't just ask the Government to ban something because it's difficult to parent.

And obviously I’m going to do that - they’re 2 and 5 so need not to worry to much right now but ideally I’d like to bring them up in a world that has some restrictions in place on them (and others) from seeing harmful online content already. It’s not a big ask to demand more from these platforms and government to have some more preventative measures in place.

 

[meltonblue]

Because its your job to teach your children to be responsible and handle these types of events. You can't just ask the Government to ban something because it's difficult to parent.

Of course you can, unless you’re advocating for getting rid of anything age restricted across the board?

I’d like to think that most still believe in a societal responsibility for some things too.

 

[BobKowalski]

I would have concerns about security tbh. I read a comment piece - I forget where - about a couple of weeks ago - may have been on the local Facebook page - where someone in town realised that as this was coming he may as well comply so slicked his hair back went unshaven for a couple of days then put a pair of his Mrs reading glasses on and went with facial recognition. All worked and that was ok. However that data is I understand not shared and not retained "on file" anywhere - correct? Well he reported that on the 26th of July he was auto verified on several sites that needed it with the same facial recognition and doctored up photo even though he hadn't gone through the process.

If thats true the idea its not shared is bollox and anyone who has signed up with credit card details better brace themselves for the next bill. Does anyone know if this can happen or has happened or is it a local scaremonger?

The age verification will be outsourced to a separate company who will act on behalf of many different websites, so once you are in their database, you will have access to any site that utilises that particular company.

 

[blueinsa]

Christ, are you sure you're not an actual bot or something ?!
You vaguely 'just about' disagree with every single thing Labour does. shock.
It's mainly age checks - to stop children seeing illegal and harmful material especially with the increase in suicide rates from children, it's a long over waited start - it should actually go a lot further and I'd personally ban all social media for kids with the amount of violent, harmful and misinformation being spread - it's nothing to do with denying free speech as the right wing will try to play.
Its much needed. well done Labour.

It was the Tories that wrote the legislation but well done Labour lol