Tino Livramento

Factoring in the home gown thing (which is a big thing) In today’s market I think he’s probably £70 mil (closer to £50m if he was foreign) So you are only really talking £10m hike for a player they really don’t want to lose. The price is not as extravagant as people are making out imo.
 
Dribble said:
He's not worth £80m, but he's by far the best available long-term option out there. So if it takes £80m to secure him for the next decade, then so be it.

I'm not focused on the price. I'm more focused on what he's worth to us in the short, medium & long-term. At £8m per season over 10 years, he's more than worth it IMHO...
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I agree on the money. The fee isn’t that important for the club really.

What I don’t see is a guaranteed 10 year locked in full back.

I see a Ben Chilwell. Decent at most things without being outstanding at any.

He’s also already had an ACL.
 
Axel Freed said:
Walker was demonstrably the best right back in the league whilst at Spurs and was worth every penny and more of what it took to get him.

This guy's pretty decent but not in Walker's class, why the fuck would we pay £80m for him. Pedro Porro's a better and cheaper alternative
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Mate, the whole football world laughed their bollocks off at City buying Walker for £50m+, as few thought he was worth more than £30m. He worked out at £5m per season over 9 years & gave us sterling service & legendary battles with Vini Jnr, so who's laughing now?

That's how we have to view Livramento
 
Dribble said:
Mate, the whole football world laughed their bollocks off at City buying Walker for £50m+, as few thought he was worth more than £30m. He worked out at £5m per season over 9 years & gave us sterling service & legendary battles with Vini Jnr, so who's laughing now?

That's how we have to view Livramento
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I’ll tell you what, if he is angling for a big money move he’d be wise to employ you as his agent !!

I just don’t see what’s so special about him. Walker on the other hand was the best fullback in the league, one of the best in Europe, and would have walked into every other PL team.

The whole football world was laughing their bollocks off to hide the look of fear on their faces cos they knew little City were getting an absolute defensive superstar for the going rate. Had the rags or dippers been spending £50m on him they’d have been praised for making a shrewd albeit expensive investment.
 
Axel Freed said:
This guy's pretty decent but not in Walker's class, why the fuck would we pay £80m for him. Pedro Porro's a better and cheaper alternative
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We paid £50m 8 years ago for a 27yo Walker. That’s probably closer to £65-70m in todays money. Kyle was 27 at the time, Livramento is only 22. I’d say somewhere around £70m definitely is fair for him, especially when they spent almost £40m on him
 
Dribble said:
We need a specialist right back. Someone who'll give the world's elite players something to think about. As things stand, that won't be Nunes.
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And what's the evidence Livramento is that guy? None. He is an exciting prospect. The keyword though is 'prospect'. Folks are acting like he is the Right back version of Haaland. He isn't.

I see nothing confirming he is better than Nunes. This is the real issue. It would auck all around to sign an 80 million youngster only to have him get benched by a makeshift midfielder.

And that likelihood is very high. Contrary to popular opinion here..

Dribble said:
Livramento would be a decade long investment. In the big scheme of things, £8
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We don't know that. He seems a fantastic prospect. But prospect nonetheless. He may not make the grade. Then wed have an 80 million albatross around our necks. How many risky bets should we make?


Certainly, if we think he is worth 80 million, we'd have to give him a contract befitting of that price. So big unmovable wages if things dont work out.

God forbid he doesn't work out. We'd have the Right back version of Jack. Too expensive to move And unable to improve in that position coz we messed up overreacting.
Dribble said:
City baulking at £80m for Livramento makes little to no sense to me. As someone remarked yesterday, what's the point of our January & summer acquisitions, only for us to stop at the final hurdle?
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Whoever made that remark and many here who want this at any cost are making the same fallacious mistake. There are no final hurdles. Every year, we'll make changes, adjust mate tweaks to personnel, philosophy and tactics, then go at it again. Each year is its own battle

We'd add some new players and ler others go. And every year another very good player on the horizon. Sometimes he costs 80 million like Livramentio and other years he is a 22 million euros players on his last year after finally blowing up CL winning ability. Already, we have some names we know if and other WILL ( not might) WILL emerge.

We simply have to be patient. Not convince ourselves a bad peice is a good idea.


Dribble said:
We need to stop the penny pinching & complete this phase of our squad rebuild, which should've started immediately after the treble. This level of petty messing around is what led us from having by far the strongest squad in world football 2 years ago, to winning fuck all last season & almost being relegated from the CL in the process.
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2. Separate issues. We should have doubled sown on talent acquisition after the Treble. Of that there are no doubts. So not doing what Liverpool is doing this summer was a terrible decision on our part. Agreed.

But that has zilch to do with whether we should overpay for a prospect. We shouldn't. As for rectifying the error of not doubling down after the treble, we have done a fantastic job over the last year retooling the squad.

So props to Txiki and now Viana. We are nack on track.
Dribble said:
If our squad wasn't such a mess last season, why did we buy so many players in the 2025 winter & summer windows? Get Livramento, dispense with the deadwood, & then we can concentrate on rebuilding our squad to dominate for the next decade. It's that simple...
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Again, we did buy so many players right? Marmoush, Khusanov, Gonzalez, Ait Nouri, Tijjani Renjdners, Cherki and Trafford. 8 players in 1 year. That's a team doing the work to improve.

I'd rather we wait and aee who becomes a top Right back whether it is Livra, Spence, Fresneda, Martim or someone else. Then go dor said player.

You know assuming rhat player isn't already in our squad. And his nam is Rico Lewis. A too prospect everyone now wants to doubt.
 
Beanhead said:
Factoring in the home gown thing (which is a big thing) In today’s market I think he’s probably £70 mil (closer to £50m if he was foreign) So you are only really talking £10m hike for a player they really don’t want to lose. The price is not as extravagant as people are making out imo.
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If he were foreign, he'd be a 20 million player.
 
Dax777 said:
And what's the evidence Livramento is that guy? None. He is an exciting prospect. The keyword though is 'prospect'. Folks are acting like he is the Right back version of Haaland. He isn't.

I see nothing confirming he is better than Nunes. This is the real issue. It would auck all around to sign an 80 million youngster only to have him get benched by a makeshift midfielder.

And that likelihood is very high. Contrary to popular opinion here..

We don't know that. He seems a fantastic prospect. But prospect nonetheless. He may not make the grade. Then wed have an 80 million albatross around our necks. How many risky bets should we make?

Certainly, if we think he is worth 80 million, we'd have to give him a contract befitting of that price. So big unmovable wages if things dont work out.

God forbid he doesn't work out. We'd have the Right back version of Jack. Too expensive to move And unable to improve in that position coz we messed up overreacting.

Whoever made that remark and many here who want this at any cost are making the same fallacious mistake. There are no final hurdles. Every year, we'll make changes, adjust mate tweaks to personnel, philosophy and tactics, then go at it again. Each year is its own battle

We'd add some new players and ler others go. And every year another very good player on the horizon. Sometimes he costs 80 million like Livramentio and other years he is a 22 million euros players on his last year after finally blowing up CL winning ability. Already, we have some names we know if and other WILL ( not might) WILL emerge.

We simply have to be patient. Not convince ourselves a bad peice is a good idea.

2. Separate issues. We should have doubled sown on talent acquisition after the Treble. Of that there are no doubts. So not doing what Liverpool is doing this summer was a terrible decision on our part. Agreed.

But that has zilch to do with whether we should overpay for a prospect. We shouldn't. As for rectifying the error of not doubling down after the treble, we have done a fantastic job over the last year retooling the squad.

So props to Txiki and now Viana. We are nack on track.

Again, we did buy so many players right? Marmoush, Khusanov, Gonzalez, Ait Nouri, Tijjani Renjdners, Cherki and Trafford. 8 players in 1 year. That's a team doing the work to improve.

I'd rather we wait and aee who becomes a top Right back whether it is Livra, Spence, Fresneda, Martim or someone else. Then go dor said player.

You know assuming rhat player isn't already in our squad. And his nam is Rico Lewis. A too prospect everyone now wants to doubt.
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There's no such thing as a guarantee life, only educated guesses you hope will turn out to be correct. Livramento is a first choice full back for a CL team. He's a talented 22 year old & a full England international. In this respect he ticks all the boxes, plus he helps our HG quota, & you call him a "prospect"?

No one's saying he's the best RB in the UK, Europe or the world. As things stand & for what City need right now, I can't think of a better option.

You mention Nunes & Lewis. Nunes has done enough to earn a reprieve imo, but I don't believe a midfielder who Pep said didn't have the intelligence to play in his specialist position, should be our best option to rely upon "to do a job" for the season.

No doubt Nunes "can do a job" against mid-lower table opposition & against low ranking teams in the CL. However, when faced with elite opposition, that's when he'll probably be found out as we've seen.

We're Manchester City, & I've had enough of Pep's small squad "can do a job" philosophy, especially as on the other hand he constantly complains about the increasing game time demands being placed on footballers. He can't have it both ways.

When you factor in the faster, & more physical way football has changed recently, it comes as no surprise that our small, elite but ageing squad creaked, broke & spluttered to a grinding halt last season.

Lewis is a decent young RB who at 20 has years ahead of him. He's disadvantaged because of his diminutive size, hence him sometimes struggling against big units who know they can push him around.

From the evidence I've seen, Lewis' future is in midfield where his intelligence on the ball excels. He can also "do a job" at RB against mid-lower league opposition, but against the elite, he like Nunes will struggle.

Both Stones & Akanji "can do a job" at RB if pressed into action. However, both are part of our ageing elite, neither are specialist RB's, & both have had recent injury problems, Stones in particular.

We also need to clear the decks. Our squad is bloated & Pep has repeatedly expressed his preference for a small elite squad. Conversely & more importantly, during one of Bernardo's first interviews as captain during the CWC, he said the players preferred having a bigger squad as it gives everyone time to play, rotate & rest.

Something is at odds here, as there's no way Bernardo said that in public, if it's not how the squad feel internally.

We spent significant sums during the winter window & this one, on bringing in younger reinforcements, only for reports to emerge over the last 48 hours that "the club" (probably Pep) feels that changing the squad too much isn't for the best.

With that being the case, why spend what we have (which bloated the squad), to only then look to loan out the new younger players, who were mostly playing first team football before they arrived? This doesn't come across as City looking to the future. It smacks of the here & now, & Pep thinking of the next two years of his contract & not City's long-term future.

As for Livramento, I don't look at him as an £80m "prospect". I see him as a very highly rated £8m per season Etihad mainstay, over the next decade or so. That is how best to view a long-term investment, much like people do with getting a mortgage to buy a house.

As for the squad & how things stand regarding Livramento or buying a foreign RB to fill a gaping hole in our squad, I agree with the following video I watched yesterday. Many seasoned City fans are concerned about our right back situation, & with good reason too IMHO...

 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I agree on the money. The fee isn’t that important for the club really.

What I don’t see is a guaranteed 10 year locked in full back.

I see a Ben Chilwell. Decent at most things without being outstanding at any.

He’s also already had an ACL.
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What I see is a young England international who fills our HG quota, has huge headroom to improve further & who can also cover the left back position.

Combined with an improved Nunes, we'll be covered in the RB position for the next 5 - 10 years, with the option to upgrade either player if deemed necessary.

Let's say we didn't get Livramento & the worst was to happen & Nunes got a season ending injury like Rodri did. What & who then?
 
Is Livramento even that good? I’ve watched, at a guess, two dozen games where he’s played and never really noticed anything particularly great about him.

Didn’t think he was shite or owt but didn’t think he was anything more than steady, with a bit of pace.
 
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