Tino Livramento

Dribble said:
Some you win, some you lose. You gotta be in it to win it...
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Exactly why your whole argument kinda falls apart. You are basing it all on the assumption that because Kyle Walker worked out wonderfully over 8 years, Tino is guaranteed to as well, so we should just slap 80m down for the risk.

He is nowhere near the player walker was though. Our squad is more flexible than when we signed walker. But mostly, there really is nothing to suggest we or he are really that interested in the move.

We signed Gvardiol at 77m, the club didn't hesitate there, and while there were prolonged negotiations, there was constant noise that he was keen, that we were keen etc. There has been nothing of the sort for Tino. The odd 'monitoring the situation' claim. Cool, we probably monitor 20 players. He would be 'tempted' by a move. No shit, who wouldn't. 270 pages (in old money) of 'just pay it' chat, when it isn't even anywhere close to that.

This one has fuck all legs. Might change over the window, but right now I suggest people 'monitor the situation' of this thread, rather than actively forcing it.
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Whilst not advocating for him, his 2 goals and 2 assists compare with Walker’s 8 goals and 36 assists throughout his entire career. What Walker brought was that he was very good at the thing that many people think is most important bit for a fullback.
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Not 2 goals and 2 assists, 1 goal and 1 assist. Nowhere near as fast as Kyle either, but I agree Kyle’s goals and assists weren’t good enough. Livramento is very good but for me nowhere near worth £80m, and in any event it’s very unlikely that Newcastle will sell.
 
Coatigan said:
Exactly why your whole argument kinda falls apart. You are basing it all on the assumption that because Kyle Walker worked out wonderfully over 8 years, Tino is guaranteed to as well, so we should just slap 80m down for the risk.

He is nowhere near the player walker was though. Our squad is more flexible than when we signed walker. But mostly, there really is nothing to suggest we or he are really that interested in the move.

We signed Gvardiol at 77m, the club didn't hesitate there, and while there were prolonged negotiations, there was constant noise that he was keen, that we were keen etc. There has been nothing of the sort for Tino. The odd 'monitoring the situation' claim. Cool, we probably monitor 20 players. He would be 'tempted' by a move. No shit, who wouldn't. 270 pages (in old money) of 'just pay it' chat, when it isn't even anywhere close to that.

This one has fuck all legs. Might change over the window, but right now I suggest people 'monitor the situation' of this thread, rather than actively forcing it.
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Where have I said Tino is guaranteed? What part of "some you win, some you lose" don't you understand?

In my opinion we need a right back.

We have issues with our HG quota.

We had/have issues with squad age.

All things considered, Tino seems to be the best option going forward who ticks all boxes.

I'm not stuck on Tino & only Tino. But again where I'm resolute is that we need a high quality RB.

Any young, high quality RB will suit me fine, BUT our HG quota is an issue.

HOWEVER, the following video explains how we can get a foreign RB, but it means even more squad departures, which seems difficult at the moment, albeit Tolmie & others have said some straight talking conversations were held with senior players on their return to training this week about them moving on.



I've offered my thoughts on a solution to what I consider our right back issue, & why. Do you have anything to offer or add, aside from you think Tino to City has no legs, but there again it may have legs as the window progresses?

I'd be genuinely interested to hear.
 
Dribble said:
Where have I said Tino is guaranteed? What part of "some you win, some you lose" don't you understand?

In my opinion we need a right back.

We have issues with our HG quota.

We had/have issues with squad age.

All things considered, Tino seems to be the best option going forward who ticks all boxes.

I'm not stuck on Tino & only Tino. But again where I'm resolute is that we need a high quality RB.

Any young, high quality RB will suit me fine, BUT our HG quota is an issue.

HOWEVER, the following video explains how we can get a foreign RB, but it means even more squad departures, which seems difficult at the moment, albeit Tolmie & others have said some straight talking conversations were held with senior players on their return to training this week about them moving on.



I've offered my thoughts on a solution to what I consider our right back issue, & why. Do you have anything to offer or add, aside from you think Tino to City has no legs, but there again it may have legs as the window progresses?

I'd be genuinely interested to hear.
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We have both said what we had to say, neither is going to convince the other. We have no HG quota though, on that one you are wrong. The rest is valid, but I am happy with the club taking a long term view here. And if that means waiting for the right player at the right price, fine by me. All good blue.
 
simon23 said:
why would you not want a right back?
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Maybe because for the price it appears we'd have to actually spunk to secure him he might not actually be worth it and we as a club unlike so many others we don't make a habit of rolling over and getting plowed by other teams seeking to upsell and gouge us.
 
TheBlueCat said:
Most Blues I know think Livramento is decent but in no way a £80M player. Trust the club to find the solution at the right price. I posted before, i think we can’t find the right player at the moment..
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1. It's not your/their money
2. Man City has more than enough money to pay that
3. We are getting outspent by our rivals left, right and center..
4. In case you forgot, we paid 100mil for Grealish!
5. Livramento is world class, young and English (which counts for the English quota that we currently must increase)
6. We desperately need a world class right back now, which is exactly what Livramento is
7. By buying him, any chance of Isak to Liverpool (our rivals) would fall apart
 
Dribble said:
Where have I said Tino is guaranteed? What part of "some you win, some you lose" don't you understand?

In my opinion we need a right back.

We have issues with our HG quota.

We had/have issues with squad age.

All things considered, Tino seems to be the best option going forward who ticks all boxes.

I'm not stuck on Tino & only Tino. But again where I'm resolute is that we need a high quality RB.

Any young, high quality RB will suit me fine, BUT our HG quota is an issue.

HOWEVER, the following video explains how we can get a foreign RB, but it means even more squad departures, which seems difficult at the moment, albeit Tolmie & others have said some straight talking conversations were held with senior players on their return to training this week about them moving on.



I've offered my thoughts on a solution to what I consider our right back issue, & why. Do you have anything to offer or add, aside from you think Tino to City has no legs, but there again it may have legs as the window progresses?

I'd be genuinely interested to hear.
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Most enjoyable listen, thanks v much. The simple point that Lewis & O'Reilly can play in the PL & CL as U21s is important meaning we can find room in the senior squad for two new players - one club trained and one association trained alongside your reduced list assuming Ortega, Grealish, McAtee, Phillips & Gundo all depart. (There are actually 36 players in the mix currently if also you include over 21s Callum Doyle, Kabore & Wilson-Esbrand - so they need moving too.)

So if we ignore Kabore and we can find a suitable association trained RB - he can be added to the likely season starters.
Livramento & Spence aside there may be other possibilities who could be a defensive upgrade on Nunes such as Wan Bissaka or James Justin etc.
 
simon23 said:
Its amazing how many people underrated how much we missed John Stones last year. The focus was on Rodri for obvious reasons but Stones was literally MOTM in the CL final even though Rodri got the winning goal.....

I dont think many opposition fans even realise this was a major issue for us and nearly as central as Rodri
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You're not wrong but it's not that we're underrating him.

It's just that we can't count on his body to provide 45 games a season.

If you ever go back and read my old posts.. you'll see I got a lot crap from other posters here because I said in January we need FIVE midfielders.

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We got Nico G, Tijjani Reinders, Cherki and we had Nico O'Reilly emerge from our ranks. Still feel we're 1 light but it's a lot better than the middle of last season.

The season's campaign will be determined by how good our midfield is.. if they can't press, break up other team's offense and can't get the ball to our forwards like last season and just want to side to side.. we're in trouble.
 
Dribble said:
What I see is a young England international who fills our HG quota, has huge headroom to improve further & who can also cover the left back position.

Combined with an improved Nunes, we'll be covered in the RB position for the next 5 - 10 years, with the option to upgrade either player if deemed necessary.

Let's say we didn't get Livramento & the worst was to happen & Nunes got a season ending injury like Rodri did. What & who then?
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Finally someone who understands
Psychedelic Casual said:
Is Livramento even that good? I’ve watched, at a guess, two dozen games where he’s played and never really noticed anything particularly great about him.

Didn’t think he was shite or owt but didn’t think he was anything more than steady, with a bit of pace.
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Because Newcastle is playing him all over the place despite being a right back
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
We got Nico G, Tijjani Reinders, Cherki and we had Nico O'Reilly emerge from our ranks. Still feel we're 1 light but it's a lot better than the middle of last season.
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We also got RAN, Rodri back from injury, Bobb is back.

Semi-sorted.

We can't do much else unless we can shift players.
 
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handsofstone said:
And you've done exactly the same thing with AWB whos been amazing for West Ham going forward depth powerful runs, also getting more assits and goals

However AWB cost £15mil not £80mil
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I wouldn’t. He can run and defend one on one. As a footballer he’s absolutely dreadful. To the point there is no chance Pep would want him. We’ve clearly wanted Livramento because he’s twice the footballer even at 22 than Wan Bissaka could ever be.
 
Zenmanc said:
Maybe because for the price it appears we'd have to actually spunk to secure him he might not actually be worth it and we as a club unlike so many others we don't make a habit of rolling over and getting plowed by other teams seeking to upsell and gouge us.
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We do need a fullback however...everyone knows it

Whoever we go for we are probably going to have to pay over the odds/city tax whatever you want to call it.

Whether its Livramento or someone else not having a right back is not a great
 
Master-Lotus said:
Finally someone who understands

Because Newcastle is playing him all over the place despite being a right back
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That’s because they didn’t have cover for left back and had a decent right back on the bench in Trippier. Livramento played very well at left back but because he’s versatile shouldn’t be a reason for concern. You might not remember him but what was Paul Lake’s position?
 
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