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Webster FIFA Ruling​

The Webster ruling is a landmark case in association football law involving Andy Webster, a Scottish defender who played for Heart of Midlothian. It stemmed from his decision in 2006 to invoke Article 17 of FIFA's Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players, which allows players under the age of 28 to unilaterally terminate their contracts after three years, or players aged 28 and over after two years, provided they pay compensation. Webster, who had signed a four-year contract with Hearts in 2003, sought to leave the club after his third year, citing a lack of agreement on a new deal and dissatisfaction with the club's treatment.

Initially, FIFA's Dispute Resolution Chamber ruled that Hearts were entitled to £625,000 in compensation, based on Webster's future wages and earning potential, and found him guilty of terminating his contract "without just cause" on a technicality due to late notification. He was also suspended for the first two matches of the 2007–08 season. Hearts appealed this decision, and on 30 January 2008, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) reviewed the case and reduced the compensation to £150,000, which was the value of the remaining term of his contract at the time of his departure.

The ruling was significant because it established a precedent for player freedom of movement, similar in potential impact to the Bosman ruling of 1995, and was hailed by players' unions as a major step forward for player rights. It meant that clubs could no longer hold players to long-term contracts indefinitely, forcing them to re-evaluate their strategies, particularly regarding contract lengths and player development. However, the ruling also caused concern among clubs, who feared it would lead to a decline in transfer fees and significant accounting losses due to the need to depreciate player contracts over a maximum of three years. Despite the controversy, the case has been cited as a pivotal moment in football law, demonstrating the power of Article 17 to empower players.
But what happens if it's the other way around? Let's say the player wants to stay, but isn't being played regardless of contract length, can he still terminate his contract?

I also don't get how a club can get compensation for the remaining wages the player has yet to receive. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?
 
But what happens if it's the other way around? Let's say the player wants to stay, but isn't being played regardless of contract length, can he still terminate his contract?

I also don't get how a club can get compensation for the remaining wages the player has yet to receive. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?
I seem to remember when Tevez went awol, we were told on here that we couldn't stick him in the reserves as his contract stipulated that he must play a certain amount of first team games. Not sure if it was true and I'm not sure if it applies to all players contracts.
 
I seem to remember when Tevez went awol, we were told on here that we couldn't stick him in the reserves as his contract stipulated that he must play a certain amount of first team games. Not sure if it was true and I'm not sure if it applies to all players contracts.
That's exactly what I'm alluding to & why I'm confused. I'm sure the consensus was if we stuck a player in the reserves & they didn't play a certain amount of first team games when fit & available, they could terminate their contract & walk away for free, or something like that.
 
That's exactly what I'm alluding to & why I'm confused. I'm sure the consensus was if we stuck a player in the reserves & they didn't play a certain amount of first team games when fit & available, they could terminate their contract & walk away for free, or something like that.
I would say thats more or less irrelevant here. Even if this hypothetical scenario was true, the club would probably be happy with some contracts of players we need to move out being terminated, that would mean millions saved. The problem is rather that players, for obvious reasons, are reluctant to give up their contract and the huge salary we are legally obliged to pay them.
 
That's exactly what I'm alluding to & why I'm confused. I'm sure the consensus was if we stuck a player in the reserves & they didn't play a certain amount of first team games when fit & available, they could terminate their contract & walk away for free, or something like that.
I'd be such a prick- if I had a sullen player who was pulling some bollocks and his contract said summat like- 'has to start 10 games when fit'- he'd start and I'd pull him about 3 minutes in.
 
It's AI generated, with links to several sports solicitor firms, but according to this, we have a contractual obligation to play & pay players, & we could face sanctions & fines if we don't.

I suppose there's also the issue of protecting a players book value, especially with PSR being a factor. If Gundog, Stones or Ortega etc refused to leave, would we be better accepting a free transfer offer & wiping our mouths on their book value, or to keep them around?

Also, if a player isn't registered for the PL & CL, can they still play in the CC & FA Cups? What if we kept them around & played them for the last 5 minutes of 1 in 5 games, so we can say they played?

Again, what about the squad size? We can't register them all...

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It's AI generated, with links to several sports solicitor firms, but according to this, we have a contractual obligation to play & pay players, & we could face sanctions & fines if we don't.

I suppose there's also the issue of protecting a players book value, especially with PSR being a factor. If Gundog, Stones or Ortega etc refused to leave, would we be better accepting a free transfer offer & wiping our mouths on their book value, or to keep them around?

Also, if a player isn't registered for the PL & CL, can they still play in the CC & FA Cups? What if we kept them around & played them for the last 5 minutes of 1 in 5 games, so we can say they played?

Again, what about the squad size? We can't register them all...

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Have you really posted that AI? Hahahaha, what a load of fucking tripe mate.
 
Hi, regarding Echeverri, several well-known Italian sources have reported that he doesn't want to join Girona and instead prefers a move to Roma. However, Roma are insisting on including a buy option in the loan deal.
This makes me a bit worried — does anyone know if this is true, or if he might end up staying at City instead?
 
Have you really posted that AI? Hahahaha, what a load of fucking tripe mate.
I'm just asking the question because no one seems to know the answer.

The Google search offered links to several sports lawyer sites, & the AI screenshot is just highlights of the substantive points.

We can't register all the old guard & all the new recruits too, so can you shed any light on the club's contractual position if players refuse to leave & we don't register them for the PL or CL, so don't play them?
 
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I'm just asking the question because no one seems to know the answer.

The Google search offered links to several sports lawyer sights, & the AI screenshot is just highlights of the substantive points.

We can't register all the old guard & all the new recruits too, so can you shed any light on the club's contractual position if players refuse to leave & we don't register them for the PL or CL, so don't play them?
It’s just that post shows AI saying we have to play players who are under contract, which is obviously complete and utter bollocks.

I can’t say I know the legalities of this ruling about players buying their way out of contracts, but it’s always seemed to be that no one would do it as it’s too big a can of worms.

That’s said, I just don’t see it being an issue, as @Vester said in his posts, we will always get players out by the end of the window, it’s just how bad the deal is for them to go in how much it costs us.
 
Hi, regarding Echeverri, several well-known Italian sources have reported that he doesn't want to join Girona and instead prefers a move to Roma. However, Roma are insisting on including a buy option in the loan deal.
This makes me a bit worried — does anyone know if this is true, or if he might end up staying at City instead?
I've seen several similar reports about Echeverri & his team preferring a loan to Roma because they can offer European football, but can't say whether Roma's insistence of an option to buy is fact or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was fact. Echeverri's a brilliant young player. I can't believe we're loaning him out, & not putting our backs into clearing out the old guard instead, so we can accommodate him...
 
It’s just that post shows AI saying we have to play players who are under contract, which is obviously complete and utter bollocks.

I can’t say I know the legalities of this ruling about players buying their way out of contracts, but it’s always seemed to be that no one would do it as it’s too big a can of worms.

That’s said, I just don’t see it being an issue, as @Vester said in his posts, we will always get players out by the end of the window, it’s just how bad the deal is for them to go in how much it costs us.
It’s probably why Glauber Berti left…

As for Scott Carson…
 
I've seen several similar reports about Echeverri & his team preferring a loan to Roma because they can offer European football, but can't say whether Roma's insistence of an option to buy is fact or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was fact. Echeverri's a brilliant young player. I can't believe we're loaning him out, & not putting our backs into clearing out the old guard instead, so we can accommodate him...
How do you know we're not?
 
I'm just asking the question because no one seems to know the answer.

The Google search offered links to several sports lawyer sights, & the AI screenshot is just highlights of the substantive points.

We can't register all the old guard & all the new recruits too, so can you shed any light on the club's contractual position if players refuse to leave & we don't register them for the PL or CL, so don't play them?
They need to find another club if they want to play and aren't registered by us but we still pay 100% of their wages and must provide training facilities as per contract until or unless they do. See below...:-)

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It’s just that post shows AI saying we have to play players who are under contract, which is obviously complete and utter bollocks.

I can’t say I know the legalities of this ruling about players buying their way out of contracts, but it’s always seemed to be that no one would do it as it’s too big a can of worms.

That’s said, I just don’t see it being an issue, as @Vester said in his posts, we will always get players out by the end of the window, it’s just how bad the deal is for them to go in how much it costs us.
Again, the AI screenshot has links to several sports lawyer sites who are all saying we have a contractual obligation to play & pay players under contract.

If you don't know the legalities about this situation, it would have been better to just say so. I don't know either, hence me asking the question, what if some of the old guard refuse to leave? We can't register them & all the new recruits, so where does the club stand with not registering & not playing players under contract?

The sports lawyer sites seem to be saying we'd be in breach of contract & subject to fines & sanctions. My hope is like most City fans, that if/when push comes to shove, the affected old guard will find themselves new clubs so we don't have to find out what would happen if we don't register & play them.

You never know, some might just do a Danny Mills & be happy to keep turning up to training & picking up their vast wages.
 
Again, the AI screenshot has links to several sports lawyer sites who are all saying we have a contractual obligation to play & pay players under contract.

If you don't know the legalities about this situation, it would have been better to just say so. I don't know either, hence me asking the question, what if some of the old guard refuse to leave? We can't register them & all the new recruits, so where does the club stand with not registering & not playing players under contract?

The sports lawyer sites seem to be saying we'd be in breach of contract & subject to fines & sanctions. My hope is like most City fans, that if/when push comes to shove, the affected old guard will find themselves new clubs so we don't have to find out what would happen if we don't register & play them.

You never know, some might just do a Danny Mills & be happy to keep turning up to training & picking up their vast wages.
It won't be the first time the club have been in this situation. I'd trust them to know the legalities and how to navigate them
 
How do you know we're not?
I've no idea if we are or not, as very little is coming out of the club. ITK's have said some tough & honest conversations were held with the old guard on their return to training last week, however Ederson, Stones, Gundog have publicly stated their intentions to remain, & now apparently Grealish has said he thinks his future is at the Etihad too, after having a heart to heart with Guardiola at the Oasis concert.

There can only be 25 with 17 non-HG. Something's gotta give...
 
As it stands, no need for City to go nuclear and blow up a decade of actually acting like a proper football club.

We don't need to create this bollocks like "the bomb squad" or have senior pros training with u18s because theres no space in the dressing room (Chelsea)

Lots of time left, lots of things happening behind the scenes at every club across the world I am sure.

If it's at deadline day then it's a different story but as it stands, Viana has a duty to get the best deal for all parties. If that means Grealish is here today, tomorrow and goes on Sunday then so be it.
 
I've seen several similar reports about Echeverri & his team preferring a loan to Roma because they can offer European football, but can't say whether Roma's insistence of an option to buy is fact or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was fact. Echeverri's a brilliant young player. I can't believe we're loaning him out, & not putting our backs into clearing out the old guard instead, so we can accommodate him...
What old guard are stopping him from featuring? Its the likes of Foden, Cherki, zmarmoush, Reijnders, Bobb, Doku and Savinho that hes competing for a spot in the squad with.
 
I've no idea if we are or not, as very little is coming out of the club. ITK's have said some tough & honest conversations were held with the old guard on their return to training last week, however Ederson, Stones, Gundog have publicly stated their intentions to remain, & now apparently Grealish has said he thinks his future is at the Etihad too, after having a heart to heart with Guardiola at the Oasis concert.

There can only be 25 with 17 non-HG. Something's gotta give...
Goodbye Khusanov? :-(
 

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