I know different forces have had differing instructions, and it partly depends who's in charge of your serial on the day. All I can say is what I was told on the inside, they were clearly deeply unhappy about what they'd been told to do
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Palestine Action
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inchy14
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She’s used action and Palestine in the same message, surely she’ll fave a knock on the door from the police?My labour MP signed/voted in the recent parliamentary letter with 221 other MPs, she replied with the following
“I would like to thank you and the hundreds of constituents who have contacted me regarding Gaza and the West Bank in the 18 months since the October 7th attacks.
I welcome the actions taken last month by the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary to impose targeted sanctions in response to the ongoing crisis in Gaza.
These are necessary steps that reflect our commitment to upholding international law and basic human rights. Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorism and to protect its citizens from attacks such as those carried out on October 7th. No country should be expected to tolerate such attacks against its people.
However, this cannot justify Israel’s response in the months since, which have gone far beyond what is reasonable. The humanitarian situation in Gaza is now catastrophic, innocent civilians, including children are paying the ultimate price. It cannot go on like this.
Moreover, continued military escalation and the expansion of illegal settlements in the West Bank only deepen the suffering and push the prospects for peace further out of reach. We must be clear, the protection of civilian life is not optional.
I support the Prime Minister’s decision to take action against these violations and call on all parties to work urgently toward a ceasefire and a just resolution to this conflict. The UK must continue to stand for its principles of justice, international law, and dignity for both Palestinians and Israelis.
I welcome continued communication with all constituents on the humanitarian crisis in Palestine, please do write to me as and when this situation progresses. We must continue to talk to each other and discuss how we can prevent such needless atrocities from continuing to take place.
Yours sincerely,
Marie Rimmer CBE, MP
Member of Parliament for St Helens South and Whiston”
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For the first time ever I wrote to my MP about Palestine, because she acknowledged my letter and signed the letter to Starmer I will vote for her again in the local elections but at GE Starmer has failed over Gaza.
I will have to wait and see it won’t be the Conservatives or Reform
Mate,there are videos of people getting threatened with arrest where it’s clearly shown they don’t have anything to do with the action groupis that actually true though?
Can’t say for London, but I have a few mates in greater Manchester police, who have dealt with the protests in town and haven’t heard that at all.
19thC English law on assembly was very complex and the actual historical situation is still contested today. They were probably breaking the law ab initio because they needed permission from local authorities to assemble.Actually, they weren't disobeying the law at Peterloo until someone announced they were.
Of course the reading of the Riot Act put the matter beyond doubt.
For ‘reading the Riot Act’ read ‘Passing a Statutory Instrument.’
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The legislation is deliberately vague and wide. Good old democracy, eh?Wow. I stand corrected. That is shitty. I assumed it would just be for showing obvious support of PA.
You mean the gov has not branded them as such.... but they aren't a terrorist organisation.
No no, a thousand times no. Many of the actions of PA are criminal and there are laws to deal with that, but that does not make them terrorists. You are equating criminal actions with terrorist actions. They are not the same at all and your accusing people protesting against a misguided gov action of suspending their moral guidelines is not worthy of you.The principles of PA involve violence & intimidation to get their messages across and you support that. Good to know that people can suspend their moral guidelines when it suits their "principles".
BigJoe#1
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Yes... which means they are not doesn't it?You mean the gov has not branded them as such.
No it doesn’t. A gap between the law and actuality is commonplace. The law defines the law not reality. Do you think the actions of the IDF in Gaza and the West Bank are not terrorist?Yes... which means they are not doesn't it?
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BigJoe#1
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So legally they are not a terrorist organisation?No it doesn’t. A gap between the law and actuality is commonplace. The law defines the law not reality.
bluethrunthru
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No no, a thousand times no. Many of the actions of PA are criminal and there are laws to deal with that, but that does not make them terrorists. You are equating criminal actions with terrorist actions. They are not the same at all and your accusing people protesting against a misguided gov action of suspending their moral guidelines is not worthy of you.
what we saw yesterday is a blind man in a wheel chair and an 89 year old lady amongst others involved in a peaceful protest arrested under the same law which was used to arrest the brother of a suicide bomber who set off his bomb at an Ariana Grande concert. Placard/ blowing up kids in the eyes of UK law to have the same equivalence.
No no, a thousand times no. Many of the actions of PA are criminal and there are laws to deal with that, but that does not make them terrorists. You are equating criminal actions with terrorist actions. They are not the same at all and your accusing people protesting against a misguided gov action of suspending their moral guidelines is not worthy of you.
Targeting and attacking UK defence companies and bases and causing serious damage to property with the aim of directly trying to change government policy says they are a terrorist organisation.
No, the stupid law says that. All this is totally unnecessary, we have criminal laws to deal with PA. Why make it so controversial, what is the benefit, cui bono?Targeting and attacking UK defence companies and bases and causing serious damage to property with the aim of directly trying to change government policy says they are a terrorist organisation.
bluethrunthru
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Why don't the thick Fuckers just change the name? To Terrorist supporters?
err because they aren't. Probably for the same reason you wouldn't change your user name to Genocide Supporter
No, the stupid law says that. All this is totally unnecessary, we have criminal laws to deal with PA. Why make it so controversial, what is the benefit and cui bono?
Our terrorism act says that and it predates PA.
Fuck all controversial about the terrorism act 2006 until it affected PA it seems.
Go figure…
Err yes they areerr because they aren't. Probably for the same reason you wouldn't change your user name to Genocide Supporter
So parliamentary debates were nugatory then? Gosh those MPs who criticised the Act at first and second reading were wasting their time.Our terrorism act says that and it predates PA.
Fuck all controversial about the terrorism act 2006 until it affected PA it seems.
Go figure…
We went through all this on the 2000 Act and the gov (and you) are just repeating the error. The gov eventually lost on the Blair Brown Act. They will eventually lose on the 2006 Act as well.
The current hoo-haa is caused by the passing of a statutory instrument. Your time line is nonsense.
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So parliamentary debates were nugatory then? Gosh those MPs who criticised the Act at first and second reading were wasting their time.
I’m not saying don’t discuss it or suddenly disagree with it or even campaign to change it, I’m just stating the current fact surrounding it and PA’s actions that led to them being proscribed.
Postman Pep
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Unsurprisingly no charges .... because that would be even more farcical than arresting 100's of people for sitting down holding placards with words on it.