Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

[NQCitizen]

Maybe he didnt say he would prefer to play elsewhere earlier in the window , Maybe he has realised that he's competing with Bob ,Cherki, Foden in a world cup year has created that desire , maybe there wasnt offers from other clubs at that time . These are all moving parts that create a transfer scenario. We have a policy to allow players that want to leave to leave if a decent offer is made, just so happens an upgrade is available at the same time.
In one thread you cant understand why we cant move players that don't want to leave on, and in another your questioning why we move a player that wants to move on

I understand both. We've opted to keep Akanji, Pep wants him, just be realistic.

Honestly I think this idea that Savinho from the la liga team of the year is scared of his losing his place to 900 professional minutes, and older, Bobb is one of the most bizarre things of all.

If he wasn't club trained he'd probably be on loan.

 

[trueblue1972]

I understand both. We've opted to keep Akanji, Pep wants him, just be realistic.

Honestly I think this idea that Savinho from the la liga team of the year is scared of his losing his place to 900 professional minutes, and older, Bobb is one of the most bizarre things of all.

If he wasn't club trained he'd probably be on loan.

If he didn't want to leave he wouldn't be just like that others ,

 

[NQCitizen]

Generally agree with you on that, and I was obviously being a bit daft with my example.

In terms of Sav, I'm not sure it's his finishing exactly that's the issue (for me), he just doesn't seem on other players wavelengths at times - taking an extra touch when it needs to go early, running i to teammates a bit... I've no idea how good his actual finishing is - for me that's one ones, tap-ins etc. Most of his misses are pure shooting fails, going for the corner and hoping for too much bend etc.

And then there's the defensive side of the game....

He's a decent player at the moment, who could still improve, but there are other players out there and I guess it comes down to if we're prepared to wait for it to all click into place.

I think that's a fair summary.

I'd wait. I'd love Rodrygo as an extra but I wouldn't give up Sav for him. I do think we're being forced into a bit by overstocking CB and CM.

For me he could be Spurs' Hazard. Or at least an able Son replacement and that's a lot to give up.

 

[NQCitizen]

If he didn't want to leave he wouldn't be just like that others ,

I don't think "want to leave" is as binary as people make out on this forum.

Isak wants to leave. Most other players can be appealed to by something else but still stay (bernardo, ederson, walker) or alternatively not be that keen to go but still pushed out a bit (grealish).

I get what you're saying but I doubt Savinho suddenly woke up one day absolutely hell bent on going.

 

[trueblue1972]

I don't think "want to leave" is as binary as people make out on this forum.

Isak wants to leave. Most other players can be appealed to by something else but still stay (bernardo, ederson, walker) or alternatively not be that keen to go but still pushed out a bit (grealish).

I get what you're saying but I doubt Savinho suddenly woke up one day absolutely hell bent on going.

Id agree on the fact he is maybe not 'hell bent ' but also his mentality of prefering spurs than fighting for his place here must be questioned . That along with the ability to upgrade immediately based on current performance levels, means im quite happy for this to happen. He had ok season last year nothing more , and spent far too much time rolling around on the floor and hitting the stands with his shots, for me to be upset about it

 

[strudelslol]

I don't think "want to leave" is as binary as people make out on this forum.

Isak wants to leave. Most other players can be appealed to by something else but still stay (bernardo, ederson, walker) or alternatively not be that keen to go but still pushed out a bit (grealish).

I get what you're saying but I doubt Savinho suddenly woke up one day absolutely hell bent on going.

I agree with this.

There is a stark difference between wanting to leave and feeling ready to leave. The latter of which, I believe is the right terminology in these kind of scenarios.
Wanting to leave fits much more around the scenario we're seeing with Donnarumma, where his club are no longer giving him the backing he needs or wants and feels he has to go.

 

[neph27]

Part of savinho being a 98th percentile dribbler or whatever is that much of it is driven by how much we possess the ball and how many opportunities he was given

There's entire halves where the game plan seemed to be "get the ball to a winger in the final third and see if they can run at their defender" and he had a rough time with that from an end product standpoint

Other teams and players do not have that luxury to get all of those "dribbles completed per 90" because they don't have the ball

Both things are true to varying degrees. He is a good dribbler who was wasteful with his chances. We have a few more of those already so I can see why the club are interested in moving on

 

[Ste-CTID]

These people getting excited that we might get £60 million for a 21 year old brazilian international who where not under any pressure to sell who had a o.k season in a poor city side are the same people who if he has a breakout season if sold to those wankers are the same people who'll be having hissy fits next season telling everyone the club don't know what there doing just to buy real madrid cast offs maybe we should resign brahim diaz think these fuckers always disappointed how many chrismas presents they used to get as kids

100%

I can't understand how so many posters slate our players and seem to be blinded by the hype around bang average players from other clubs.

Comparing Savinho's terrible season to Rodrigo's 'world-class' season for Madrid, I can't see it myself. Sav is better in every metric, except for his (rightly questioned) goal scoring.

If you compare Savinho's La Liga season with Gerona to Nico Williams' last season, they are almost identical. I can imagine the excitement if we had brought Nico Williams in this window.


Yes, stats don't tell the whole story, but they are a decent indicator of performance and potential. Last season was Savinho's first in a new team and a new league, and it has been demonstrated with numerous previous signings that it often takes a year to settle into Pep's Teams.

Savinho seems to be one of those players who will only be appreciated when he has left the club, like Sterling and Mahrez, who are now used as the benchmark for wingers but were slated by some when at the club.

I hope we hold on to him and tell Spurs to fuck off, much rather have him at the club than doing Madrid a favour and handing them €100m for the over-rated Rodrigo.

 

[Hgblue2]

I think that's a fair summary.

I'd wait. I'd love Rodrygo as an extra but I wouldn't give up Sav for him. I do think we're being forced into a bit by overstocking CB and CM.

For me he could be Spurs' Hazard. Or at least an able Son replacement and that's a lot to give up.

If it's any consolation to you mate you're not alone. I find the concept that if a young player isn't world class or the finished article right now he should be moved on, because 'he's not good enough for City' a bit short sighted and more than a little bit arrogant.

This attitude doesn't seem to be working out too well with Palmer does it? Chelsea fans can't believe we sold him. Have his stats improved as he gains more experience and feels like he's a regular starter? Yep.

Finishing, as anyone who's played the game knows, is very much a confidence issue. Young players need to feel secure and supported to be more instinctive in front of goal, until then they tend to be nervous and play it safe,

To cast aside a clearly talented player because of one poor season's finishing stats seems insane to me, but I suppose we're all entitled to an opinion. However, those who've watched the lad play and don't see the potential are on a different planet imo.

 

[surprisedbygrass]

Part of savinho being a 98th percentile dribbler or whatever is that much of it is driven by how much we possess the ball and how many opportunities he was given

There's entire halves where the game plan seemed to be "get the ball to a winger in the final third and see if they can run at their defender" and he had a rough time with that from an end product standpoint

Other teams and players do not have that luxury to get all of those "dribbles completed per 90" because they don't have the ball

Both things are true to varying degrees. He is a good dribbler who was wasteful with his chances. We have a few more of those already so I can see why the club are interested in moving on

Agree . Pep has often used his wingers to pull defenders out of position . Most teams put two on our wingers meaning there could be space in the inside channels albeit not much with ten behind the ball . With Grealish and Foden on the wing , both out of position, they had no chance of going past the defender( s) and we got that dull dull dull horseshoe shaped passing around the penalty by area . I like Doku and Savinho as they could and often did surprise me . They both worked their socks off .

 

[billblu]

Not excited but I think many of us see it as good business. Savinho isn’t currently of the required level, didn’t show last season that he’ll even get there, for me.

Can’t hit a barn door, and when we’ve gone from the likes of Sterling and Mahrez getting 30 goal involvements, it’s just not good enough is it?

I also think he doesn’t really suit the new style we’re going for with wingbacks and inside forwards.

I'd have to disagree selling a young player with so much potential isn't good business you may be proven right but I'd sooner give him another season to find out and if he doesn’t improve and ends up being sold then so be it .He's 21 he left brazil at 18 i don't think you can call in to question his desire to back himself what where you doing at 18? masterbating in your mum and dad's box room while trying to work out how to talk to girls ? ( by the way that's not a criticism of you) The team struggled last season and it had a negative affect on his confidence I'm hoping he stays and proves the doubters wrong by the way you make a good point about the attacking fullbacks but I don't think it will be one size fits all

 

[Mr HJ]

I understand both. We've opted to keep Akanji, Pep wants him, just be realistic.

Honestly I think this idea that Savinho from the la liga team of the year is scared of his losing his place to 900 professional minutes, and older, Bobb is one of the most bizarre things of all.

If he wasn't club trained he'd probably be on loan.

I actually think it's not about him competing with Oscar for a fixed wide right position -looking at our new signings I doubt we shall see game after game with both wingers in the same side. So maybe he thinks he will not get as many games as he did last season - who knows?

Pep will use Cherki, Foden and Bernardo (all good ball retention players) on the right to make us more compact and less susceptible to counter transitions in some games. All very interesting.

 

[Blue Pete]

From reading this it seems clear that very few who would sell think he's terrible and most who want to keep him think he will improve. He's been a young player in a struggling team.

My personal opinion of him isn't great (he's clearly got skill but for me his decision making is terrible), but he's young and could get better.

However, we are wanting to win every match, we can afford some development time but he's had a season and doesn't seem to be improving. With the signings we have made and what we hope from them he isnt going to get many more chances.

Without an offer I doubt we would be trying to offload, but a reasonable offer for a player we might not be convinced by is probably too good to turn down. Especially if a similar player we like is also available.

 

[CΛL]

I'd have to disagree selling a young player with so much potential isn't good business you may be proven right but I'd sooner give him another season to find out and if he doesn’t improve and ends up being sold then so be it .He's 21 he left brazil at 18 i don't think you can call in to question his desire to back himself what where you doing at 18? masterbating in your mum and dad's box room while trying to work out how to talk to girls ? ( by the way that's not a criticism of you) The team struggled last season and it had a negative affect on his confidence I'm hoping he stays and proves the doubters wrong by the way you make a good point about the attacking fullbacks but I don't think it will be one size fits all

I was working, studying, shagging, playing football and living alone at 18 - thanks for asking.

What a weird thing to say btw.

I don’t have to be a professional footballer to tell you that he’s not good enough to start for us.

 

[CΛL]

From reading this it seems clear that very few who would sell think he's terrible and most who want to keep him think he will improve. He's been a young player in a struggling team.

My personal opinion of him isn't great (he's clearly got skill but for me his decision making is terrible), but he's young and could get better.

However, we are wanting to win every match, we can afford some development time but he's had a season and doesn't seem to be improving. With the signings we have made and what we hope from them he isnt going to get many more chances.

Without an offer I doubt we would be trying to offload, but a reasonable offer for a player we might not be convinced by is probably too good to turn down. Especially if a similar player we like is also available.

This is where I stand, £60m is good money from what we’ve seen from him.

And it’s no loss when we have Doku, Marmoush, Foden, Cherki and Bobb, who are all better.

 

[HelloCity]

what where you doing at 18? masterbating in your mum and dad's box room while trying to work out how to talk to girls ? ( by the way that's not a criticism of you)

 

[TheGhost]

Can’t we string Levy along until deadline day and at 10pm pull out of the deal?

 

[billblu]

I was working, studying, shagging, playing football and living alone at 18 - thanks for asking.

What a weird thing to say btw.

I don’t have to be a professional footballer to tell you that he’s not good enough to start for us.

OK luv don't have a hissy fit i was just asking you because you questioned his commitment as a footballer who at 18 left his country flew half way round the world to play football and try and make a better life for himself and his family i never said he should be starting every game

 

[houraisen]

It should be £80m, not €80m.

 

[Gumzy97]

I think it gets done for 55 mil plus 5 mil in add ons so 60 total.