Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

Spurs think Savinho may be the next Palmer. We are afraid Savinho may be the next Palmer.

Hence 70m (sounds a lot to some on here).

If this gets done, it will likely be for 60m + 7m in add-ons.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Cherki may well make a big difference but only if the two wingers have the footballing nous to anticipate what he can do and make runs that he can find. The question then is can they convert those positions into goals or assists. Like everyone else I like to see young players succeed but in the first team, only when they are good enough to play for an elite club playing for multiple trophies. Savinho (or Doku) are not good enough yet. The number of assists and goals they have do not lie. Happy to see them kept but not as regular starters just now. I put Doku ahead of Savinho. Savinho has much to prove if he remains.
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Savinho was the leading assister for Haaland in the Premier League last season, with 5 assists, in their first season playing together.

Savinho is far from the finished article and still needs a lot of development, but I'd like to see him given that time, at least a second season. I'd like to see him played on the left more, as that's where he played for Girona. He is naturally left-footed and would function as more of a traditional winger. Savinho always gets stuck on the right as he is the more adaptable option and can do a job from that side, whereas Doku has always been ineffective when played on the right.

Rodrigo would also want to play on the left, as that seems to be his biggest complaint during his time at Madrid.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Savinho is pure frustration, he was last season anyway. One goal is an absolutely shit return no matter if it was his first season in the prem. I'm sure Rodrygo would at least double that number if he were to sign
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Frustrating only because the talent is there.

But when or will that potential be realised. He needs games. I don't think City can train him and win the league title. That is why players like Cole Palmer and Macatee leave.
 
There are players that work in some setups, against some teams, and don't in others.

Sav had a great season at Girona yes, but wasn't that predominantly playing on the left? It was certainly in a team that didn't come up against a low block of ten regularly.

A lot of these teams are happy to let the wide players advance because they've got no space when they get near the box. That helps some of his stats look great. No other team faces what we face, so the only real comparison I'd make analytics wise is with Doku.

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One more.... From the above it suggests that Savinho has similar data to Adams Traore... I can't remember him having any impact at all last season.

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It’s crazy the way some people turn on a player the moment they’re linked with a move away.

To read comments like he’s the worst player in the squad or his finishing will never improve is utter shite. Most of the time people would be encouraged by a 20 year old moving to the PL and being the top assister in the league over the likes of KDB and Foden etc.

He has everything in his locker to get 20+ G/A next season and I wonder what his market value would be then.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
It’s crazy the way some people turn on a player the moment they’re linked with a move away.

To read comments like he’s the worst player in the squad or his finishing will never improve is utter shite. Most of the time people would be encouraged by a 20 year old moving to the PL and being the top assister in the league over the likes of KDB and Foden etc.

He has everything in his locker to get 20+ G/A next season and I wonder what his market value would be then.
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All the above is true, one thing I would add to that is does he have the mental toughness to succeed.
My personal belief is that he doesn't and perhaps that is what some in the club believe.
They make decisions on what they see,some might come back to bite them on the backside, others wont.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
It’s crazy the way some people turn on a player the moment they’re linked with a move away.

To read comments like he’s the worst player in the squad or his finishing will never improve is utter shite. Most of the time people would be encouraged by a 20 year old moving to the PL and being the top assister in the league over the likes of KDB and Foden etc.

He has everything in his locker to get 20+ G/A next season and I wonder what his market value would be then.
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Yeah, the only reason the club is even willing to sell him is because the profit is too good to turn down for what currently isn't a top, top player. We bought a €45m player for about €25m last year and have the opportunity to sell him for €70m now before he is crucial for our team. On paper this is great business, but it absolutely a calculated risk that we can reinvest to make the squad better.

Anyone that think we are selling because Savinho isn't talented enough, or that someone at the club have seen enough already and knows he won't develop into a great player is beyond delusional. We will happily take the money but will be conpletely aware of the fact that Sav could turn into an absolute world-class winger at any point. The board seems intent to offset this by reinvesting in a Rodrygo that should be able to produce world-class performances consistently as early as next season.

Personally I'd preferred if Doku went but we would have struggled to book a profit for him. It is all educated guesdes at the end of the day
 
Chappie said:
All the above is true, one thing I would add to that is does he have the mental toughness to succeed.
My personal belief is that he doesn't and perhaps that is what some in the club believe.
They make decisions on what they see,some might come back to bite them on the backside, others wont.
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A couple of goals would have helped his case, but to be fair we have picked up a bad habit of buying wide players who don't score enough.
 
mattcity5 said:
There are players that work in some setups, against some teams, and don't in others.

Sav had a great season at Girona yes, but wasn't that predominantly playing on the left? It was certainly in a team that didn't come up against a low block of ten regularly.

A lot of these teams are happy to let the wide players advance because they've got no space when they get near the box. That helps some of his stats look great. No other team faces what we face, so the only real comparison I'd make analytics wise is with Doku.

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One more.... From the above it suggests that Savinho has similar data to Adams Traore... I can't remember him having any impact at all last season.

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Interesting stats. On the basis of them Doku is outperforming his xA and xG stats by a fair margin. Savinho is performing more or less to these stats albeit he overachieved in his assists and underperformed in scoring goals. Its difficult to draw firm conclusions as we certainly face more low blocks than most other teams and the whole team was underperforming. Haaland was as guilty of not making the best movements in the box as both of them were at failing to pick him out. Maybe I have been to harsh on both of them. Time will tell.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
It’s crazy the way some people turn on a player the moment they’re linked with a move away.

To read comments like he’s the worst player in the squad or his finishing will never improve is utter shite. Most of the time people would be encouraged by a 20 year old moving to the PL and being the top assister in the league over the likes of KDB and Foden etc.

He has everything in his locker to get 20+ G/A next season and I wonder what his market value would be then.
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He does have those attributes, except perhaps the most important one that can’t really be coached; goalscoring.

He’s a decent winger who can look great at times, but just seems to become less effective the closer he gets to the goal, both in his shooting and beating a man or picking out a team mate. Basically there’s very little end product.

Maybe he’ll improve but we haven’t got time to allow for that, pressure is on to get results, beat Liverpool to the title, win the CL again. We need someone who can score and create goals. Savinho doesn’t really do enough of either.
 
Personally I'd keep him at least one more season and have him predominantly play from the left. Apparently that's where he had his success with Girona and he looked more effective for us there too on the occasion that he played there.

He can battle it out with Doku and Marmoush on that side and let Foden, Bobb and Cherki battle it out for the right side.

Quite a nice balance and all young/fairly young players.
 
argyle said:
Possibility of including a buy back/sell on like we did with McAtee?
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Zero.

There’s no way Spurs would agree to that deal - nor the player either, I’d imagine.

They’d essentially be accepting they were developing the player for us, for a moderate fee - which Spurs’s delusions of grandeur would never allow.

Once he’s gone - he’s gone.
 
Apparently he’s not training either ….
I’ve been ignoring this rumor but idk about these developments. What you guys think ?
 

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Why do you guys think Pep doesn’t play him on the left where he had his best season ? Is it because he’s trying to make him the next Mahrez ? I think he’s forcing it too much. Maybe he’s trying to give him the chance to learn new tools by being able to play on both sides. Like he did with Foden. Idk I still don’t want Savio to leave.
 
This is pure conjecture; but when Bernardo said about 'who you'd want to go to war with', I got a sneaky feeling Savio might be one of the people he was referring to.

Heard from people around the club - friends of friends as well - (not going to drop anyone in it) that he's an arrogant so and so as well.
 
Semper aggressus said:
He does have those attributes, except perhaps the most important one that can’t really be coached; goalscoring.

He’s a decent winger who can look great at times, but just seems to become less effective the closer he gets to the goal, both in his shooting and beating a man or picking out a team mate. Basically there’s very little end product.

Maybe he’ll improve but we haven’t got time to allow for that, pressure is on to get results, beat Liverpool to the title, win the CL again. We need someone who can score and create goals. Savinho doesn’t really do enough of either.
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I agree but personally still have Palmer PTSD, I’ll be dammed we build another superstar for a different team. Also Seeing Raphinha become top 3 best players and watch Dembele literally be on his way to win a ballon dor, I’m not giving up on players quickly anymore. Those guys never used to have 40+ g/an output now look at them. Vini used to be shoot exactly like Savio, now look (he sucks rn but apparently he’s pressing now) but there is hope for Savio and I refuse to give up on and Doku.
 
Semper aggressus said:
He does have those attributes, except perhaps the most important one that can’t really be coached; goalscoring.

He’s a decent winger who can look great at times, but just seems to become less effective the closer he gets to the goal, both in his shooting and beating a man or picking out a team mate. Basically there’s very little end product.

Maybe he’ll improve but we haven’t got time to allow for that, pressure is on to get results, beat Liverpool to the title, win the CL again. We need someone who can score and create goals. Savinho doesn’t really do enough of either.
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I think the thing that often gets overlooked with finishing is luck and confidence.

I remember people questioning why Raheem Sterling was starting for England when he hadn’t scored in the last 20 odd games. He then scored 2 against Spain and went on a crazy scoring spree which led us the the Euros final.

I mention that because Sterling didn’t do anything different for England. He was simply more confident in front of goal. Savinho can strike a ball and has good technique. He just needs a bit more confidence and the goals will come.

I agree that the pressure is on to get results but I don’t think Savinho needs to be the catalyst for that. For me, Haaland is the one who will lead us to any success and his link up with Savinho at times last season is being overlooked IMO.
 
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