WestGorton
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Don't think it will happen. Need to work with what we have in my opinion.
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The Squad planning thread
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There are literally 10 better/ more proven ones in the whole top 6. what has 1000 minutes Bobb done? The world Beater wasn’t seen today. He was compared to Lamine some days. Has a bad day then y’all be looking for excuses. But the same excuses y‘all refuse to acknowledge when it comes to Doku or 1 year younger savinho.Name the 10 better wingers than Bobb ?
Why is Pep playing a player that’s not good enough for any other premier league team at RB ? Name all 20 RB who are better than him ?
Do you know better than him
chiswick blue
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Unless we want to rely on Kovacic or Nunes we need another 8. Maybe Paqueta interest will become firm, I’d rather have Wharton as a 6 and move Gonzalez into the 8 position
He knows better than you...Name the 10 better wingers than Bobb ?
Why is Pep playing a player that’s not good enough for any other premier league team at RB ? Name all 20 RB who are better than him ?
Do you know better than him
I said 'after today's team selection' which indicated those 3 were surplus to requirements and therefore most likely to be soldYou are missing Ortega Akanji and Gundogan.
Not going to bother with naming every right back in the Premier League but we have been looking for a new one for a long time now. If Rico is so great how come Nunes of all people starts so much for us at RB and we are looking for a new one.Name the 10 better wingers than Bobb ?
Why is Pep playing a player that’s not good enough for any other premier league team at RB ? Name all 20 RB who are better than him ?
Do you know better than him
Oscar Bobb, like I said, is a great talent with potential but yet to be tested and people act like he is better than Rodrygo. Here is the statistical breakdown below.
ChatGPT said:
Here are 10 Premier League wingers who, based on recent performances in the 2024‑25 season, can be considered ahead of Oscar Bobb, at least so far—given Bobb’s return from a significant injury and relatively limited top‑flight minutes:Top Premier League Wingers (2024‑25)
- Mohamed Salah
- Bukayo Saka
- Cody Gakpo
- Bryan Mbeumo
- Harvey Barnes
- Cole Palmer
- Harvey Elliott
- Anthony Gordon
- Luis Díaz
- Ollie Watkins
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simon23
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A new shinny winger toy isnt what is needed right now.
Its a waste of current resources (money and wages) on something that isnt a priority.
If Sav leaves then possibly BUT the need in other postions is more important by far.
Buying a right back and more atheticism in midfield is vastly more important to the success of our season.
Rodrygo for instance makes no difference whatsoever to that performance yesterday or the result - not one bit
Its a waste of current resources (money and wages) on something that isnt a priority.
If Sav leaves then possibly BUT the need in other postions is more important by far.
Buying a right back and more atheticism in midfield is vastly more important to the success of our season.
Rodrygo for instance makes no difference whatsoever to that performance yesterday or the result - not one bit
The hype around Oscar Bobb is off the scaleName the 10 better wingers than Bobb ?
Why is Pep playing a player that’s not good enough for any other premier league team at RB ? Name all 20 RB who are better than him ?
Do you know better than him
We need to strengthen all 3 positions and we've known this since last summer.A new shinny winger toy isnt what is needed right now.
Its a waste of current resources (money and wages) on something that isnt a priority.
If Sav leaves then possibly BUT the need in other postions is more important by far.
Buying a right back and more atheticism in midfield is vastly more important to the success of our season.
Rodrygo for instance makes no difference whatsoever to that performance yesterday or the result - not one bit
simon23
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Yes we do but two of them are a priority...one is the icing on the cake which doesnt work without the priorities. You build a team from the base not the topWe need to strengthen all 3 positions and we've known this since last summer.
A new right back is the priority obviously. But we're also desperate for a winger with a better goals & assists output than what we currently have.Yes we do but two of them are a priority...one is the icing on the cake which doesnt work without the priorities
The icing on the cake for me would be another central midfielder.
simon23
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Right back and midfielder are priorityA new right back is the priority obviously. But we're also desperate for a winger with a better goals & assists output than what we currently have.
The icing on the cake for me would be another central midfielder.
The icing on the cake comes after those 2 as long as wel have the resources BUT the other two ust ome first...
get Rodrygo without the other two and our fortunes this season dont change
Cobwebcat
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8.5 days to go for incomings.
I don't know. Rodrygo might convert some of the chances we create.Right back and midfielder are priority
The icing on the cake comes after those 2 as long as wel have the resources BUT the other two ust ome first...
get Rodrygo without the other two and our fortunes this season dont change
Right back should be an easy fix but a new midfielder is going to be tough. Who realistically is there that's available and better than what we have?
Dribble
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Pep Guardiola said in an interview that Kyle Walker couldn't play as an inverted FB. Kyle Walker responded in an interview that he could.I mean, we replaced Kyle Walker with Rico Lewis, I will leave it at that.
Rico Lewis isn't being asked to play as a traditional RB. He's tasked with executing Pep's complex inverted RB tactic, which has now been sussed by everyone. You're not comparing like for like.
Bobb's been out for 12 months with a broken leg. Last week against lesser quality opposition, he excelled. Against Spuds he was left isolated against a 5 man defence, with 2-3 top quality players facing him. Are you suggesting Rodrygo would've fared much better yesterday?
As for Cancelo, he was asked to invert when this tactic was a new revelation & the defensive low-block opposition didn't know what to make of it, let alone how to counter it.
Now that system's been sussed by the opposition, don't blame the players being told to persist with it, instead blame the person instructing them to persist with it.
They might out perform him but I am not sure they have his talent and there not all wingersNot going to bother with naming every right back in the Premier League but we have been looking for a new one for a long time now. If Rico is so great how come Nunes of all people starts so much for us at RB and we are looking for a new one.
Oscar Bobb, like I said, is a great talent with potential but yet to be tested and people act like he is better than Rodrygo. Here is the statistical breakdown below.
ChatGPT said:
Here are 10 Premier League wingers who, based on recent performances in the 2024‑25 season, can be considered ahead of Oscar Bobb, at least so far—given Bobb’s return from a significant injury and relatively limited top‑flight minutes:
Top Premier League Wingers (2024‑25)
- Mohamed Salah
- Bukayo Saka
- Cody Gakpo
- Bryan Mbeumo
- Harvey Barnes
- Cole Palmer
- Harvey Elliott
- Anthony Gordon
- Luis Díaz
- Ollie Watkins
BELLAMYS END
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Once again, the midfield was bullied out of any kind of effectiveness by a couple of hard bastards, in this case Paulinah and Bentancur, I saw the change in the Arsenal game last season when Rodri got injured last season, then it prevailed until Pep got some solidity by playing the older guard to look after the ball, Gonzalez, and rejinders ain’t going to cut it anytime soon, which leaves us reliant on Rodri in the squad. If Trafford was playing the ball to Rodri or Bernardo maybe the result would have been different and not a stupid goal to spurs.
Someone like a Gibbs White would have given us a bit of bite in midfield. Yesterday it was far too easy for Spurs to press us into tricky situations when defending and bypass the midfield when attacking.
In conclusion until we have players who are able look after the ball when faced with physicality we are going to get exposed both defensively and in the attack.
Someone like a Gibbs White would have given us a bit of bite in midfield. Yesterday it was far too easy for Spurs to press us into tricky situations when defending and bypass the midfield when attacking.
In conclusion until we have players who are able look after the ball when faced with physicality we are going to get exposed both defensively and in the attack.
You mean Kyle Walker the former captain who fucked off and left the club as soon as the job got tough?Like @JewelZee mentioned in another thread, a lot of our fanbase collectively suffers from cognitive dissonance bordering on delusion. I don't know if it's arrogance, or are we turning into Manchester United with our mentality?
We compare the likes of Trafford, Lewis, or Bobb to Donnarumma, Rodrygo, or Cancelo for that matter. You can say about them whatever you want (especially Cancelo), but they are world-class players who are miles better than the hyped-up academy bunch above. I mean Oscar is a great player, but he is a mid-PL standard at best right now, completely untested as it stands. Trafford looked great in a dominant Burnely side in the Championships, but some of our fans would rather have him ahead of arguably best keeper in the world. Finally, we have Rico, who wouldn't start for any other PL team, and yet still a part of our fanbase is happy with him as a RB. The same people were happy to see Cancelo leave. I don't care if he is a dickhead, but as long as that dickhead can play football, I am happy with that.
I mean, we replaced Kyle Walker with Rico Lewis, I will leave it at that.
Give me a Rico Lewis over that wanker any day of the week.
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It’s taken me a few seasons to accept it’s probably not the players. Yes some ain’t good enough. That will always be the case and some will be impossible to replace.
The system is the biggest problem. Until we stop making the same mistakes passing from the back. Until we stop playing a high line for teams to take us apart and until we stop wasting chancing and running into blind alleys when attacking.
When all that is finally acknowledged. Maybe we can start to evolve. We couldn’t replace the legends and now we play like an imitation city.
The system is the biggest problem. Until we stop making the same mistakes passing from the back. Until we stop playing a high line for teams to take us apart and until we stop wasting chancing and running into blind alleys when attacking.
When all that is finally acknowledged. Maybe we can start to evolve. We couldn’t replace the legends and now we play like an imitation city.
I am struggling to understand our reluctance to go out there in the recent transfer windows and not majorly focus on fullbacks. Under the system Pep wants to play - playing out from the keeper and beating the press by having players who are good in small spaces (his words not mine) we find ourselves limited in playing out to our fullbacks. Rayan A-N helps that but once he went off the passes out to both flanks were quickly played back towards the goal which gave Spurs encouragement to press further. You get a stronger right back particularly and it gives the keeper options to pass it out not fearing us losing the ball. Too many times we play it wider and it goes backwards & inside slowly - we simply need a proper right back and hope the Rayan's injury is not too serious - Otherwise the option for whoever is in goal is to try silly passes to the middle of the box, which is dangerous and looks stupid when you get picked off.
I have always liked Nathan but yesterday when he came on you then have one fullback (Rico) that prefers to drive into space without thought of defending the counter - which Spurs targeted - and one who is quite slow at passing forward and would rather play it inside more often than not. It is all about tactics and having the right players to implement that. Porro & Spence made us look very poor and don't get me started how Richarlison looked more like Haaland than Haaland by bullying Ruben all game - that is another issue!
Apologies for the long post I'm just trying to get my head around what went wrong yesterday because like most fans I was salivating when I saw the lineup - I guess be careful what you wish for comes to mind.
8 days left of the window, we have much to do - for me mission one is sell Savinho and use that money to get the best right back you can find, even overpay it's that key to our system.
I have always liked Nathan but yesterday when he came on you then have one fullback (Rico) that prefers to drive into space without thought of defending the counter - which Spurs targeted - and one who is quite slow at passing forward and would rather play it inside more often than not. It is all about tactics and having the right players to implement that. Porro & Spence made us look very poor and don't get me started how Richarlison looked more like Haaland than Haaland by bullying Ruben all game - that is another issue!
Apologies for the long post I'm just trying to get my head around what went wrong yesterday because like most fans I was salivating when I saw the lineup - I guess be careful what you wish for comes to mind.
8 days left of the window, we have much to do - for me mission one is sell Savinho and use that money to get the best right back you can find, even overpay it's that key to our system.