It's Quiet the £250m return

urban genie said:
Said Muniz the otheer day and got told he was too old.

people have bizzare takes, the fella has been consistant for 3 season, 29. is not an issue when we have such a young squad, some experience and solidity would be helpful
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When our main issue is we can't move on players past 30 on inflated deals signing 29 year olds probably isn't the solution though.

Plus the things he's worst at are passing and dribbling which won't work in a Pep team and at 29 he's unlikely to significantly improve them.

If we went for a 29 year old now by the time the "rebuild" is nearing completion they'll be in decline.

Football works in cycles, to always plug a gap for just that season and the next usually lowers the potential for the long term.
 
BluestBlue said:
What’s everybody’s rating of the window.

I still find it bizarre that after 2 years we still don’t have an actual RB. Other than that I can’t complain. 7.5/10
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I'd give it a tentative 7.5

Reijnders is close to a 10 for me, RAN is solid and Cherki is very exciting but comes with his own question marks, especially tactically. Very intrigued by Nypan long term.

Livramento would have made it a 9 but I'm glad we didn't just grab any right back as all the available ones have been below the level.

Glad we didn't sell Savinho (appreciate not a universal view) would maybe have liked to see Reis and Eche stick around.

I can't get too stressed about who did or didnt leave of the old guard, because I don't think they're particularly blocking the chance of anyone else.
 
NQCitizen said:
I'd give it a tentative 7.5

Reijnders is close to a 10 for me, RAN is solid and Cherki is very exciting but comes with his own question marks, especially tactically. Very intrigued by Nypan long term.

Livramento would have made it a 9 but I'm glad we didn't just grab any right back as all the available ones have been below the level.

Glad we didn't sell Savinho (appreciate not a universal view) would maybe have liked to see Reis and Eche stick around.

I can't get too stressed about who did or didnt leave of the old guard, because I don't think they're particularly blocking the chance of anyone else.
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We can't just consider in isolation, we have to compare to rival clubs, and considering that Walker and KDB have left, I don't think spending a net £66m really amounts to recovering lost ground when Arsenal and Liverpool have by £s spent, blown us out of the water.

The window has not yet closed and can not be entirely summarised by £s spent but until we see the players play for their new clubs, it is a guide.
 
Marvin. said:
We can't just consider in isolation, we have to compare to rival clubs, and considering that Walker and KDB have left, I don't think spending a net £66m really amounts to recovering lost ground when Arsenal and Liverpool have by £s spent, blown us out of the water.

The window has not yet closed and can not be entirely summarised by £s spent but until we see the players play for their new clubs, it is a guide.
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If i was comparing I'd say Wirtz is a really quality player but no more than a level ahead of Cherki for 90m more.

Gyokores is a battering ram with pretty limited technique who doesn't fit the way they play. Madueke, Ekitike, Zubimendi are all decent ish players that were seriously overpriced. Kerkez is solid and frimpong can't defend.

If Livepool get Isak fair play to them he's a cracking player but I'd rather be losing KDB who realistically hasn't been that impactful in a while than still having the two best players in my team over 33.

Liverpool are a wildcard as they move into full on all out attack Slot mode.

Arsenal imo haven't improved, saka odegard rice and saliba still seem the like the only players of theirs we'd have any interest in.
 
Marvin. said:
We can't just consider in isolation, we have to compare to rival clubs, and considering that Walker and KDB have left, I don't think spending a net £66m really amounts to recovering lost ground when Arsenal and Liverpool have by £s spent, blown us out of the water.

The window has not yet closed and can not be entirely summarised by £s spent but until we see the players play for their new clubs, it is a guide.
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In 2025 we have spent more than both. The idea that we've been stingy is ridiculous.
 
Marvin. said:
Cherki and Trafford are gambles (more so than some transfers). It's questionable whether a club of our stature should be routinely buying players of the likes of Khusanov, Reis, Bah, Echeverri, Cherki, Trafford who represent significant acts of faith or hope. There is nothing wrong with research, but the balance of transfer spending by well resourced clubs should imo be towards proven talent particularly when a team is in transition. I will change my opinion on this window if we bring in Donnarumma but that looks unlikely now.

In part, I think we have been surprised by what Arsenal and Liverpool have done.
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Frimpong, Ekitike, Kerkez, Wirtz. After WINNING a title is an insane window. If they get Guehi and Isak, (very likely now with the new Newcastle signing today) that’s a 10/10 window, isak alone makes any window a 7, he is a top 5 striker in the world imo.

What I believe We needed at the start of the window:
GK (Ederson replacement) RB (Walker replacement), CB, LB, CM (Gundogan replacement) CAM (KDB replacement) and a Goalscoring forward/winger who can help Haaland with the load.

GK: in - Trafford 5/10 (should never start for a serious title challenging team)
RB: No one - 0/10
CB: No one - 0/10
LB: in - Ait Nouri 8.5/10 very good signing.
CM: In - Reijnders 9.5/10 great great signing. Potential world beater.
CAM: in - Cherki 7.5/10 talented lad but can go wrong. Was available for £30m and no big club even bid for him cos of his work rate. Was our second choice as we were priced out for Wirtz.
Goalscoring winger: No one - 0/10

5/10 or 6/10 is fair if it stays the same as it is now, if we get Donarumma it’s a 7 or 8, if we get a RB it’s a 8 or 9, and if we get Rodrygo as well it’s a fucking perfect 10/10 window.

To those of you who are saying this is a 9/10 window ALREADY with no more business I’m sorry I think you’re deluded.
 
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KDBPLGOAT said:
Frimpong, Ekitike, Kerkez, Wirtz. After WINNING a title is an insane window. If they get Guehi and Isak, (very likely now with the new Newcastle signing today) that’s a 10/10 window, isak alone makes any window a 7, he is a top 5 striker in the world imo.

What I believe We needed at the start of the window:
GK (Ederson replacement) RB (Walker replacement), CB, LB, CM (Gundogan replacement) CAM (KDB replacement) and a Goalscoring forward/winger who can help Haaland with the load.

GK: in - Trafford 5/10 (should never start for a serious title challenging team)
RB: No one - 0/10
CB: No one - 0/10
LB: in - Ait Nouri 8.5/10 very good signing.
CM: In - Reijnders 9.5/10 great great signing. Potential world beater.
CAM: in - Cherki 7.5/10 talented lad but can go wrong. Was available for £30m and no big club even bid for him cos of his work rate. Was our second choice as we were priced out for Wirtz.
Goalscoring winger: No one - 0/10

5/10 or 6/10 is fair if it stays the same as it is now, if we get Donarumma it’s a 7 or 8, if we get a RB it’s a 8 or 9, and if we get Rodrygo as well it’s a fucking perfect 10/10 window.

To those of you who are saying this is a 9/10 window ALREADY with no more business I’m sorry I think you’re deluded.
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liverpool window on paper looks brillant,but have to say on there 3 competitive games (community shield been one) it's not looking as good. frimpong already injured, kerkez not impressed looks vulnerable, wirtz looks to be struggling with the physicality of the league and living up to the price tag, ekitke looks be a really top signing. if they get isak is that gonna disrupt ekitke performance how do they fit him in. guehi would be a good addition because they are seriously light in cb especially with gomez been the cover for both cb and been so injury prone. Then you incorporate the fact there playing a new system to accommodate wirtz i can't remember a liverpool team play with an out n out 10 for a long time ( i could be wrong) so is it really a 10/10 window
 
Far too early rating the window. In 2/3 months we could be eating humble pie or saying the club is slipping from the high standards set. We need a couple of the new guys to properly step up. Once that does happen or does not then we can rate.
 
thomas1307 said:
liverpool window on paper looks brillant,but have to say on there 3 competitive games (community shield been one) it's not looking as good. frimpong already injured, kerkez not impressed looks vulnerable, wirtz looks to be struggling with the physicality of the league and living up to the price tag, ekitke looks be a really top signing. if they get isak is that gonna disrupt ekitke performance how do they fit him in. guehi would be a good addition because they are seriously light in cb especially with gomez been the cover for both cb and been so injury prone. Then you incorporate the fact there playing a new system to accommodate wirtz i can't remember a liverpool team play with an out n out 10 for a long time ( i could be wrong) so is it really a 10/10 window
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People forget that liverpool tragically lost Jota but also Nunez (actually was good for a goal), Dias and TAA (who did provided all their creativity).

Even Kelleher is a loss.

Plus Salah is irreplaceable at the level he produces, so too Van Dijk, Robertson is done and it looks like Konate's head has totally gone as he ponders a Real Madrid move.

It's a lot of change on a winning team.

Personally I feel like its like Pellegrini's first year - we won the league with his attacking blueprint but still remembering Mancini's,defensive nous.

The longer they have Slot the further they are from Klopp's solid defensive tactics, and tbh the minute Van Dijk falls off they're going to concede a lot of goals.
 
NQCitizen said:
People forget that liverpool tragically lost Jota but also Nunez (actually was good for a goal), Dias and TAA (who did provided all their creativity).

Even Kelleher is a loss.

Plus Salah is irreplaceable at the level he produces, so too Van Dijk, Robertson is done and it looks like Konate's head has totally gone as he ponders a Real Madrid move.

It's a lot of change on a winning team.

Personally I feel like its like Pellegrini's first year - we won the league with his attacking blueprint but still remembering Mancini's,defensive nous.

The longer they have Slot the further they are from Klopp's solid defensive tactics, and tbh the minute Van Dijk falls off they're going to concede a lot of goals.
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yeah very good points. van diyk was absolutely colossal on monday night with out him they would of lost in my opinion, allison as well keeps them in so many games. That first season under pellegrini was so much fun but couldn't live up to it after that.
 
NQCitizen said:
When our main issue is we can't move on players past 30 on inflated deals signing 29 year olds probably isn't the solution though.

Plus the things he's worst at are passing and dribbling which won't work in a Pep team and at 29 he's unlikely to significantly improve them.

If we went for a 29 year old now by the time the "rebuild" is nearing completion they'll be in decline.

Football works in cycles, to always plug a gap for just that season and the next usually lowers the potential for the long term.
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been in the best right backs in europe for a few season, both in tackling and defending
we woukd have no clue what wages he would be offered so an inflated deal us speculation not fact.
Pep doesn't insist on players dribbling, overstepping of showboating, he want players who can follow his plan, if a player has natural skill it's a bonus.
His pass accuracy is 78%, and has improved under Glasner the last year, so older players can learn.5
£25M is his market value, prem experience and more importantly with a lack of RB available and youngers one still raw and pushing 80M mark it isn't a gamble on a player we could get 3-4 years out of.

We have veen plugging the LB position for 10 years and until last season done quite well. this usn't even the sane either as it eiuld be aplayer meant fot that position not a stand in CB or Midfielder.

Personally livermemto or Gusto was my preference, but it won't happen, and we are going into the seaon weak in that position.
 
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Blue_Lightsaber said:
The ridiculous bit is that we loaned out Reis & Bah because Akanji/ Stones/ Ake can't leave.

Otherwise I'm happy with incomings.
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Bah in particular has played RB many times and in all honesty I had hoped he would have been brpught i to. the summer squad and tried not loaned out again.

I fear he is either a signing with post p
Pep in mind or another buy young talent, and sell for profit dowmthe line
 
NQCitizen said:
If i was comparing I'd say Wirtz is a really quality player but no more than a level ahead of Cherki for 90m more.

Gyokores is a battering ram with pretty limited technique who doesn't fit the way they play. Madueke, Ekitike, Zubimendi are all decent ish players that were seriously overpriced. Kerkez is solid and frimpong can't defend.

If Livepool get Isak fair play to them he's a cracking player but I'd rather be losing KDB who realistically hasn't been that impactful in a while than still having the two best players in my team over 33.

Liverpool are a wildcard as they move into full on all out attack Slot mode.

Arsenal imo haven't improved, saka odegard rice and saliba still seem the like the only players of theirs we'd have any interest in.
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What you labelled Gyokeres is exactly what anyone can accuse Haaland being guilty of. Other than that they have massively improved by improving their depth. They are about to sign a highly rated CB to compete with Gabriel and Saliba.

Unfortunately both Arsenal and Liverpool took the correct steps in rebuilding their team whilst they are good rather than waiting for their talismans to fall apart.
 
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