The Squad planning thread

Like the idea of integrating the academy and the first team but it will take bravery and understanding from the fans. For example - Porro should really have played for us given after moving away he is one of the best full backs in the league. What went wrong? We signed Cancelo and sold Porro (2019) - if we are going to integrate then decisions like that cant happen. We needed to be braver and allow Porro to play as Walkers deputy - risky given he wasnt as good as as JC at that point. Similar with Doku and Palmer. Morgan Rogers and Nunes. Is Pep ever going to allow this? Will fans? can we afford to not sell the youth players?
 
Tier2Blue said:
Like the idea of integrating the academy and the first team but it will take bravery and understanding from the fans. For example - Porro should really have played for us given after moving away he is one of the best full backs in the league. What went wrong? We signed Cancelo and sold Porro (2019) - if we are going to integrate then decisions like that cant happen. We needed to be braver and allow Porro to play as Walkers deputy - risky given he wasnt as good as as JC at that point. Similar with Doku and Palmer. Morgan Rogers and Nunes. Is Pep ever going to allow this? Will fans? can we afford to not sell the youth players?
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There are a crop coming through who are among the best we have had: Mukasa, Mfuni, McAidoo, Gorman, the Heskeys, and then, younger, the Samba brothers, Headley, et al.
I suspect that the club know this and know that the time for integration is now.

As for the names mentioned, it happens sometimes. With the exception of Palmer, I don't think we have erred, and player demands sometimes don't meet the club's. There is no way anyone could have seen the emergence of Rogers, for example, and he had gone some time ago, and has had one good season of looking like he may be at our level.

We will have to learn some patience though. The stick that Lewis gets is unreasonable, IMO, and as for Bobb, who has had one iffy game, ridiculous. Young players must be allowed time to develop.
 
Dribble said:
Are you suggesting Pep wanted different players, or more players signed with more moved on than we have?
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It will be hard to meet the needs of a more aggressive, speedy attack with Pep's game.
The coaches we have brought in are not 'Pep's men' - he hasn't worked with them before.
These are transitional times, for everyone.
 
Dribble said:
Are you suggesting Pep wanted different players, or more players signed with more moved on than we have?
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Only my opinion but there players we have now or not on the level of recent years and the newer younger signings are a couple of years away from making a leap in quality so he has relaxed his expectations on himself and is just going to try and do what he can do with the group of players he is given?
 
oldius said:
There are a crop coming through who are among the best we have had: Mukasa, Mfuni, McAidoo, Gorman, the Heskeys, and then, younger, the Samba brothers, Headley, et al.
I suspect that the club know this and know that the time for integration is now.

As for the names mentioned, it happens sometimes. With the exception of Palmer, I don't think we have erred, and player demands sometimes don't meet the club's. There is no way anyone could have seen the emergence of Rogers, for example, and he had gone some time ago, and has had one good season of looking like he may be at our level.

We will have to learn some patience though. The stick that Lewis gets is unreasonable, IMO, and as for Bobb, who has had one iffy game, ridiculous. Young players must be allowed time to develop.
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Fair points but isn’t it their job to see the talent? Porro played at sporting and very quickly went from a 10m player to a 45m one, rogers played less than a season at Boro and was then a good prem player and Palmer had even shown he was potentially good enough the week before he left. We do need patience as you say but we also need bravery to play them as unless we don’t we won’t really know until it’s too late. The next crop sounds exciting - let’s hope they are household names soon.
 
Tier2Blue said:
Fair points but isn’t it their job to see the talent? Porro played at sporting and very quickly went from a 10m player to a 45m one, rogers played less than a season at Boro and was then a good prem player and Palmer had even shown he was potentially good enough the week before he left. We do need patience as you say but we also need bravery to play them as unless we don’t we won’t really know until it’s too late. The next crop sounds exciting - let’s hope they are household names soon.
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Of course it is, but development isn't linear. Porro had three years of loans, I think, before he might be at a suitable level. Spurs haven't been anywhere near title-winning either so the demands are different.
If we think of all of the names we have released, there really aren't many who would have made it with us. It is only being spoken of now because we haven't been a winning machine for a little while.
 
richards30 said:
Only my opinion but the players we have now or not on the level of recent years and the newer younger signings are a couple of years away from making a leap in quality so he has relaxed his expectations on himself and is just going to try and do what he can do with the group of players he is given?
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I disagree somewhat. I think we have the quality there, but they're at different stages of their careers when being compared to our greats in the prime of their careers.

Plodri, Stones, Bernardo, Gundog & others were initially viewed by many as not being up to the standard of those who went before them. This lot went on to win four PL titles in a row, with a few doubles & a treble.

There's nothing to say those we have here now won't significantly improve enough to achieve similar feats in the future. But the issue is they're not following on & learning from a successful period. They're having to start from a team in transition after the start of a massive rebuild. That's why I don't think the comparisons can be considered like for like.
 
oldius said:
It will be hard to meet the needs of a more aggressive, speedy attack with Pep's game.
The coaches we have brought in are not 'Pep's men' - he hasn't worked with them before.
These are transitional times, for everyone.
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I've just made a similar point in another post. I can't ever recall a manager effectively sacking his whole backroom team before. The only time I've seen something similar, is when a club's upper level management have changed the coaching team as a last chance gesture to an under pressure manager.

Coupled with Rodri's recent comments, I'm sensing all's not well behind the scenes. Pep Lijnders' detatched demeanour further suggests something isn't right on & off the pitch at Manchester City...
 
Any bold predictions for the future ?

I think Trafford will be upset with being on the bench and Chelsea will offer the #1 spot and it will be Palmer all over again but worse because he will be England no 1 and win them trophies
 
Question - it’s accepted, even by Pep, we started the rebuild too late and it should have been last summer. If we started it then who could or would we have been able to have signed that would have made an impact? Did we miss any really good opportunities?
 
Tier2Blue said:
Question - it’s accepted, even by Pep, we started the rebuild too late and it should have been last summer. If we started it then who could or would we have been able to have signed that would have made an impact? Did we miss any really good opportunities?
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We can’t know that but it is reasonable to think that the new guys would be bedded in better by now.
 
Tier2Blue said:
Like the idea of integrating the academy and the first team but it will take bravery and understanding from the fans. For example - Porro should really have played for us given after moving away he is one of the best full backs in the league. What went wrong? We signed Cancelo and sold Porro (2019) - if we are going to integrate then decisions like that cant happen. We needed to be braver and allow Porro to play as Walkers deputy - risky given he wasnt as good as as JC at that point. Similar with Doku and Palmer. Morgan Rogers and Nunes. Is Pep ever going to allow this? Will fans? can we afford to not sell the youth players?
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The gap between academy and first eleven for any premier league club has never been wider. Hardly anyone comes through as the academies develop players for £10to 20m sales to championship and div 1. Just a factory really. You get a few who play abit nit thats more of a promotion tactic..like buying tv add space a few years b4 social media. Not many from Real or Barca make it regularly into 1st team. Odd superstar but its rare
 
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