What has the UK become under the far right influence?

urban genie said:
I can debate with peolple who want to debate @blueinsa or @Chippy_boy are good examples, we don't agree politcaly or idologicaly but we can have those conversations, you however, cannot debate, you are my opinion is correct and so condesention is the response,

you are politically inept and a waste if my time
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Is that so?

Blimey! That's me scuppered then.

Maybe you should try this World Wide Web thingy as well....

The concept of the "left's capture of the social sphere" in the UK suggests that progressive ideas and discourse have become dominant within certain social and cultural domains, particularly online, influenced by the rise of social media and influencer culture. This trend is seen by some as a significant shift from past eras where the left's focus was primarily on organized labor and economic structures, and it reflects contemporary debates about the intersection of left-wing politics, media, and popular culture

Now, you may disagree with the above but it ain't inept to believe it, it's not flat earth, it ain't spiritualism, it has merit, you don't want to bother debating it then fine, but don't hide your inadequacies behind condescension, it makes you look like a twat.
 
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urban genie said:
Tell me when we last had anythinglkeft wing in charge to create this or as you say push, lazy american terminolgy that has crept into our poltical narative
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Come on, look at the issues that we’re facing today.

Over the past 20-30 years the the idea of ‘progression, intersectionalism, identify politics there’s various names for it, all stemming from left wing roots has had a huge impact on this country. Putting people into groups and causing division within society, Perpetuated and encouraged at universities, embodied in the civil service and government offices.

In my view, it has eroded the fabric of society. In combination with this pathetic political system with spineless politicians who only think of their short term interests.

I know you view things differently but this is just my opinion. Not from good old USA or any other part of the world.

Like most things in life it is about balance I’m and I do fear that this country has shifted too much in one direction hence the backlash.

Yours very respectfully

Gio
 
urban genie said:
well besides the word Anglo meaning English and some parts of language , we don't share anything with them any more than roman britain.

We are a mish mash of many outside influences, Englishness is not anglo saxon, it tis not plantagenet, hanovarian etc it is mongrel, it is multicultural, and it is unique

I am. English I am proud to be Englush I was born here, bur am. a produnt of imigration

My Parents are English

My grandparents are all Irish

I am cathiloc and of Irish hertage I iam proud to be of Irish Herirage, My Irish family are buried in moston cemetary alongside hundreds of Italians and Polish layed there for a century or so.

All proud to have lived here, Forgive me but I would take 1 Imigrant happy to live and work hard here over l indigenous **** willing to lay about doing fuck all
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There is a huge difference between the Irish, Italians, Poles, Carribeans, Indians etc. They intergrate and share a culture to an extent. Parts of the UK now resemble Islamic enclaves. The women walking round with faces covered to the eyes and the men staring at you like you don’t belong there. I grew up in Oldham, and I have been attacked numerous times for walking through the Asian areas as a kid. Thankfully doesn’t seem as bad now. I do appreciate they probably did it as a retaliation for the idiots who went “pa*I bashing” but the point still stands. Alien cultures to each other.
 
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johnny crossan said:
As the polls stand atm Farage is projected to be our next PM using immigration as his ticket. That possibility should give everyone pause to reflect on the appalling state of the main political parties and the mess they have got our country into.
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Yes it should and saying that suddenly millions of Brits have become racists just doesn't cut it.
 
The perfect fumble said:
8,000 Normans is a little bit more than the South Stand.

Besides, ethnicity is not race and it's not genetics, it's written on the label in my last post.

Come back when you're being serious.
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I am serious. When did English ethnicity become immutable?

And English ethnicity must have been pretty shambolic if 8,000 "fighting age men" could colonise a nation of a million or two. And the civil wars must have been good for social cohesion, and "shared cultural traits and a common history". The odd workers' rebellion against the factory owners was also good for highlighting how much we had in common.
 
Vic said:
I am serious. When did English ethnicity become immutable?

And English ethnicity must have been pretty shambolic if 8,000 "fighting age men" could colonise a nation of a million or two. And the civil wars must have been good for social cohesion, and "shared cultural traits and a common history". The odd workers' rebellion against the factory owners was also good for highlighting how much we had in common.
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English ethnicity is not immutable, but it does exist. You may not be aware but a number of Brits who are descended from folk who originated from the former colonies of the British Empire, now the Commonwealth, are addressing the issue of English ethnicity not by pretending it doesn't exist but seeking to establish themselves as very much a part of our island story. So much of what we consider English ethnicity stems from our history, heritage and lineage, but surely the British Empire was part of that heritage and if so then are they no as much a part of that history, heritage and lineage as anyone waving a flag outside those hotels?

There's much merit in this and I wish them luck, I say luck coz they're going to need it, coz there's another strand of thought that runs alongside which says the Empire was a manifestation of white supremacy, a trait all white folk carry to this day and it's this line that connects us all to our slaver forefathers, hence collective white guilt, calls for reparations, critical race theory and whatnot.

It's a buggers muddle, but not as much as you tying yourself in knots trying to pretend English ethnicity doesn't exist at all.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Is that so?

Blimey! That's me scuppered then.

Maybe you should try this World Wide Web thingy as well....

The concept of the "left's capture of the social sphere" in the UK suggests that progressive ideas and discourse have become dominant within certain social and cultural domains, particularly online, influenced by the rise of social media and influencer culture. This trend is seen by some as a significant shift from past eras where the left's focus was primarily on organized labor and economic structures, and it reflects contemporary debates about the intersection of left-wing politics, media, and popular culture

Now, you may disagree with the above but it ain't inept to believe it, it's not flat earth, it ain't spiritualism, it has merit, you don't want to bother debating it then fine, but don't hide your inadequacies behind condescension, it makes you look like a twat.
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Your posts often remind me of that scene in Good Will Hunting where Matt Damon calls out the guy for reciting an argument from a text book word for word. It seems like a lot of your points are straight from a YouTube video?
 
hcblue95 said:
Your posts often remind me of that scene in Good Will Hunting where Matt Damon calls out the guy for reciting an argument from a text book word for word. It seems like a lot of your points are straight from a YouTube video?
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Whereas yours are from Cochise an Apache spirit guide on the astral plane.
 
johnny crossan said:
As the polls stand atm Farage is projected to be our next PM using immigration as his ticket. That possibility should give everyone pause to reflect on the appalling state of the main political parties and the mess they have got our country into.
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We’re up to 4 years away from an election. A lot can and hopefully will change in that time. Farage being a Trump wannabe being more widely recognised after Trump totally screws America being the most obvious. Farage’s barely disguised support for Russia over Ukraine being another thing that more people will realise.
 
Giovinco said:
Come on, look at the issues that we’re facing today.

Over the past 20-30 years the the idea of ‘progression, intersectionalism, identify politics there’s various names for it, all stemming from left wing roots has had a huge impact on this country. Putting people into groups and causing division within society, Perpetuated and encouraged at universities, embodied in the civil service and government offices.

In my view, it has eroded the fabric of society. In combination with this pathetic political system with spineless politicians who only think of their short term interests.

I know you view things differently but this is just my opinion. Not from good old USA or any other part of the world.

Like most things in life it is about balance I’m and I do fear that this country has shifted too much in one direction hence the backlash.

Yours very respectfully

Gio
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I find this a convincing analysis of our current failing economic and associated political condition in terms of the post war direction taken and its divergence from that of our European neighbours - not that they haven't made some serious mistakes too.

www.bbc.co.uk

Politically - Postwar - 20. What if? - BBC Sounds

What would Britain have been like if Winston Churchill had won the 1945 general election?
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
west didsblue said:
We’re up to 4 years away from an election. A lot can and hopefully will change in that time. Farage being a Trump wannabe being more widely recognised after Trump totally screws America being the most obvious. Farage’s barely disguised support for Russia over Ukraine being another thing that more people will realise.
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If things carry going downhill as fast as they are a GE could be earlier than that plus the Welsh & Scottish elections will happen next year.
 
Giovinco said:
Pretty simple really the left has pushed too far and people have had enough.
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Some months ago I asked my daughter why she thought there was a rise in toxicities across society in her age group, such as sexism or racism (to use lazy umbrella terms) and she replied pretty much that she saw it that agenda’s had been pushed too far and it was a reaction to it. She didn’t cite it being a left agenda and honestly, while I think your general premise aligns with what she was saying, I don’t think it useful to simply blame the left - people of various political persuasion’s are usually minded to not want to offend people.
 
west didsblue said:
We’re up to 4 years away from an election. A lot can and hopefully will change in that time. Farage being a Trump wannabe being more widely recognised after Trump totally screws America being the most obvious. Farage’s barely disguised support for Russia over Ukraine being another thing that more people will realise.
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You're right.

Farage has seized the moment, but if a week is a long time in politics, four years is an eternity.

He can't keep his shit show of lies on the road for that long, he will fall victim to his own contradictions, there are elements of the far right already calling him a cop out, and his councillors are inept, lazy and can't keep their racism in the closet. Time is not on his side, that's why his allies are trying to talk up civil disorder to somehow trigger an early election, it might look like he's strutting, but I sense he's already peaked and he knows it.
 
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