What has the UK become under the far right influence?

The perfect fumble said:
Because Gaza is not in the UK and Grimsby is.

The government should have a position on Gaza for sure, but its priority is here, first and foremost.

Here is a list of countries where conflict, war and starvation are presently at a critical point.

There are thirteen in all, there are more....

https://www.concern.net/news/countries-in-conflict

With the exception of Ukraine that directly effects our safety, not one of these conflicts should be more important than Grimsby for any UK political party, with the possible exception of the Greens, and certainly not for a party that ever wants to be in government.

As for the ideology of immigrants? Have you been drinking? I sometimes post when I'm pissed, it's never a good idea, but this is next level.
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Brilliant. Write a confusing paragraph then suggest the reader is pissed for being confused by it.

So you really would be bothered about a genocide only if it was in Grimsby...

That Holocaust was also in a country far away.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Forced myself to watch a hour long interview with 'concrete grower' Mike Graham.

He has a big following which believes anything he says on TalkTV. Surprisingly he's 'big mates' with Nigel and is defending reform as a party that 'doesn't needs a policy on everything'.

He proudly boasts getting his guests to call out the government in extreme ways.

This is what feeds the narrative of the hard of thinking. And theres far more of it now.

The only thing I agree on is accusing Westminster journalists of being client journo's for fear of losing their access.
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This is where the likes of Kuenssberg, Mason, Rigby, Craig, et al, are. They used to have in-roads to the Tory cabinet and they then had to scramble around to suck up to the likes of Farage, Tice, et al, who will use them to influence the public.
 
Vic said:
Brilliant. Write a confusing paragraph then suggest the reader is pissed for being confused by it.

So you really would be bothered about a genocide only if it was in Grimsby...

That Holocaust was also in a country far away.
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You're clearly the better man, you emote better than I do.

I am not a citizen of the world and neither are my fellow British citizens.

The air must smell sweet on the moral high ground, but look around, you've far fewer folk up there than I've got down here.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
Being nice to people?

Taxation fairness? The right want to pay as little tax as possible, hasn't anyone told you? Welcome to vulnerable people? This is next level kumbaya. International law? We sign up for stuff that serves our interests and we don't if it don't. If Farage gets in he'll try to leave the ECHR, if he succeeds he'll have a sizeable chunk of the British people backing him, he'll want to leave the Refugee Convention, he won't, but if he did he'd have more folk on his side than on yours that's for sure.

This is the political reality of the UK in 2025, did no one send you the memo?

In your indignation you're digging to find offence in my posts but there's nowt there, so you're making shit up, the only crime I seem to have committed is I've offended your sensibilities, you're in a hole, stop digging.

Have you ever stopped to think that you've morphed into a 21st Century Victorian? There's a certainty about your posts, a whiff of the moral high ground, that your position is superior because it is, self evidently, it's why you can't defend it, because clearly you don't feel the need to and don't have the wherewithal to do so if you tried. Everyone should think as you do and if they don't they clearly have dubious intentions.

Progressives always fall in to the trap of assuming that their position is the "correct" position, the "nice" position, the "fair" position and con themselves into believing that more people believe the things they do than actually do, and the shock when that realisation dawns is wonderful to observe in a guilty schadenfreude kinda way.

P.S I've just had a light bulb moment, you're one of Theresa May's.... "If you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere."
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I think I'll have to give up trying to understand your ethics (whatever they are).

"International law? We sign up for stuff that serves our interests and we don't if it don't."

I thought we signed up to laws in order to be fair. Like being nice to vulnerable people, it all stems from Judeo-Christian ethics (love your neighbour, care for the widows and orphans - and the aliens within your gates).

Your brand of nationalism (whatever you call it) seems bereft of that heritage which I would have put high on the contributions to what has made British culture.

Then you ask us not to take a "high moral" stance because popular opinion is going low - tribal even.

May's saying was just nonsense.
 
It has become what I said it would become when Europe started telling immigrants they can move to Europe if they can make it.

Bold statement but I thought at the time that would result in the far right exploiting the situation.

And here we are on the cusp of an extreme right wing govn.

That's what iv seen during the last ten years or so.

Farage will get in, he will fuck the country up a little bit more and then hopefully all their voters will see the light.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
It has become what I said it would become when Europe started telling immigrants they can move to Europe if they can make it.

Bold statement but I thought at the time that would result in the far right exploiting the situation.

And here we are on the cusp of an extreme right wing govn.

That's what iv seen during the last ten years or so.

Farage will get in, he will fuck the country up a little bit more and then hopefully all their voters will see the light.
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Voting will be banned by then.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
This is where the likes of Kuenssberg, Mason, Rigby, Craig, et al, are. They used to have in-roads to the Tory cabinet and they then had to scramble around to suck up to the likes of Farage, Tice, et al, who will use them to influence the public.
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You also have to understand that since Starmer become Labour leader in opposition there were no leaks there were no in's to access info from Labour. The journo's you name aren't real journo's they are just good at networking and built up a team of informants in a chaotic period under the chaotic Tories. They HAD to suck up to Reform otherwise they would have very little to report on. That situation remains which is partly why its Reform, Reform, Reform - Labour is leaking almost nothing to them.
 
Vic said:
Brilliant. Write a confusing paragraph then suggest the reader is pissed for being confused by it.

So you really would be bothered about a genocide only if it was in Grimsby...

That Holocaust was also in a country far away.
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And by the same logic, I don't live in Grimsby either, so why should I give a shit about a genocide happening there?
 
I'm With Stupid said:
And by the same logic, I don't live in Grimsby either, so why should I give a shit about a genocide happening there?
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You're right, when you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere, so either nothing matters or everything does.

Back on Earth however we're British citizens, and after our immediate family and friends, our fellow Brits get first call on our concern, and if you think that's bollocks you're either out of your mind, off your trolley, or Jason from Chichester with a 2.2 degree in Media Studies from the University of Please Yourself, East Anglia.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're right, when you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere, so either nothing matters or everything does.

Back on Earth however we're British citizens, and after our immediate family and friends, our fellow Brits get first call on our concern, and if you think that's bollocks you're either out of your mind, off your trolley, or Jason from Chichester with a 2.2 degree in Media Studies from the University of Please Yourself, East Anglia.
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I’ll save my concern for those being persecuted regardless where they’re from instead of some right wing racist who just happens to be from the UK.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're right, when you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere, so either nothing matters or everything does.

Back on Earth however we're British citizens, and after our immediate family and friends, our fellow Brits get first call on our concern, and if you think that's bollocks you're either out of your mind, off your trolley, or Jason from Chichester with a 2.2 degree in Media Studies from the University of Please Yourself, East Anglia.
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After my friends and family, I am as concerned about global issues as I am about fellow Brits. I don't especially consider myself British, however, so perhaps that is a factor. I have no particular loyalty to my nation of birth, nor any patriotic feelings. My father is very patriotic, a Brexiteer, and told me throughout my childhood of Britain being world leaders. He spoke of British quality, and of English being the international language, discouraging me from learning others, though I was useless at languages anyway. I am now an Irish citizen.

I think you speak well of the reality for many. I don't like it, but I understand your world-view, and believe it to be largely accurate, for a lot of people. I find it somewhat depressing though, and believe that care for fellow humans would lead to better choices. I think that feelings of patriotism are dissipating fast, and there is where the tension is. Some people are fiercely patriotic, or just speak loudly about it, while others, especially swathes of young people, have no loyalty to their nation of birth whatsoever. This will be a political dilemma because young people will increasingly question the choices made by politicians, and will turn their back on political parties who support despotic regimes outed on social media. When I was young (I'm 56) I was fed tales of the evils that lurked behind the iron curtain where all was grey and could not be trusted; that Churchill was the greatest British hero; and that the British empire was filled with heroism and the spirit of exploration, and corruption was far removed from Britain but rife elsewhere in the world. This was ALL we were taught, and times are changing, rapidly. Why? Because much of that is utter bullshit, or, at best, filled with misinformation by omission.

If I were to choose citizenship of Britain, what would matter to me more than it does right now?
When I hear politicians speak of their patriotism, then watch them close mines, the textile industry, steel works, the fishing industry, and sell off social housing, their words ring hollow to me. I watch our rivers pumped full of sewage while shareholders count their dividends and patriots do nothing. I listen to Farage tell the people of Clacton that he has bought a house there, then fall apart when he's questioned about his taxes. I watch Sunak justify his 21% tax rate and his non-dom billionaire wife. I watch Starmer continue to supply weaponry to Israel while they slaughter children, doctors and journalists and I wonder how that ticks the box marked Great Britain. I watch the repeated affairs of the Royal Family, their hush money payments, their friendships with paedophiles, and I watch the press gloss over it like it doesn't matter. I suppose because I care about these issues, I must care about Britain, but I am absolutely being driven from it, both mentally, and probably physically, and I am far from alone.
 
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