What has the UK become under the far right influence?

in the last two years, there was a very organised campaign to impose a slate of antiwokeists (for want of a better term) calling themselves the Restore Trust to run the NT.

It got quite nasty but was defeated by the membership.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
in the last two years, there was a very organised campaign to impose a slate of antiwokeists (for want of a better term) calling themselves the Restore Trust to run the NT.

It got quite nasty but was defeated by the membership.
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I remember reading something about Restore Trust and it took me down a rabbit hole that led to RW and pro-Brexit think tanks. You start to realise that the people who try to get into these trusts are usually a front for some murkier characters.
 
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oldius said:
After my friends and family, I am as concerned about global issues as I am about fellow Brits. I don't especially consider myself British, however, so perhaps that is a factor. I have no particular loyalty to my nation of birth, nor any patriotic feelings. My father is very patriotic, a Brexiteer, and told me throughout my childhood of Britain being world leaders. He spoke of British quality, and of English being the international language, discouraging me from learning others, though I was useless at languages anyway. I am now an Irish citizen.

I think you speak well of the reality for many. I don't like it, but I understand your world-view, and believe it to be largely accurate, for a lot of people. I find it somewhat depressing though, and believe that care for fellow humans would lead to better choices. I think that feelings of patriotism are dissipating fast, and there is where the tension is. Some people are fiercely patriotic, or just speak loudly about it, while others, especially swathes of young people, have no loyalty to their nation of birth whatsoever. This will be a political dilemma because young people will increasingly question the choices made by politicians, and will turn their back on political parties who support despotic regimes outed on social media. When I was young (I'm 56) I was fed tales of the evils that lurked behind the iron curtain where all was grey and could not be trusted; that Churchill was the greatest British hero; and that the British empire was filled with heroism and the spirit of exploration, and corruption was far removed from Britain but rife elsewhere in the world. This was ALL we were taught, and times are changing, rapidly. Why? Because much of that is utter bullshit, or, at best, filled with misinformation by omission.

If I were to choose citizenship of Britain, what would matter to me more than it does right now?
When I hear politicians speak of their patriotism, then watch them close mines, the textile industry, steel works, the fishing industry, and sell off social housing, their words ring hollow to me. I watch our rivers pumped full of sewage while shareholders count their dividends and patriots do nothing. I listen to Farage tell the people of Clacton that he has bought a house there, then fall apart when he's questioned about his taxes. I watch Sunak justify his 21% tax rate and his non-dom billionaire wife. I watch Starmer continue to supply weaponry to Israel while they slaughter children, doctors and journalists and I wonder how that ticks the box marked Great Britain. I watch the repeated affairs of the Royal Family, their hush money payments, their friendships with paedophiles, and I watch the press gloss over it like it doesn't matter. I suppose because I care about these issues, I must care about Britain, but I am absolutely being driven from it, both mentally, and probably physically, and I am far from alone.
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Brilliant post, just how I feel.
 
Vic said:
Another non-sequitur post.
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I'll spell it out.

When you happily inform fellow-Britons that there’s no such thing as a prevailing English culture, because for you it's just beer bellied white racists, or Hooray Henry's, the sons and daughters of the evil British Empire, belting out Rule Britannia at the Proms, or St George was Turkish and the Royal Family is shit and the Union flag is divisive coz diversity is our strength or whatever other lies you tell yourself to fuel your divisive fantasy, what you actually mean is that the real culture, not your caricature, you know the one that actually exists – the culture of working class England, the culture of Middle England – doesn’t contain anything you value.

And that's why they're flying their flags, coz it's a big fuck you.
 
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blueinsa said:
It’s 2025 ffs.

The Middle East is a powder keg.

We are facing possible world war again and you want to harp on about the fucking slave trade ffs

What exactly is it you want to uncover that’s buried?

What truth needs telling that we will all breathe a sigh of relief knowing hundreds of years on from the fact?
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You are absolutely right.
And the Middle East is a powder keg because we have ignored what Israel has been doing since 1948. Because we have been misled for decades, we now have a full-blown genocide on our hands that people spent decades ignoring. And we have people convinced that the conflict began in October 2023.
We supply weapons that destroy communities and then have flag-swathed swaggerers shouting at vulnerable people in asylum centres. AND we have protesters from the opposite side witnessing starvation and slaughter live on social media that they cannot see in the mainstream by the choice of those media channels, and by the fact that Israel will not allow western journalists into Gaza. Immediately, there is wholesale tension from truth, lies and misinformation.
This is why telling the truth is vital.
 
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The Future’s Blue! said:
I remember reading something about Restore Trust and it took me down a rabbit hole that led to RW and pro-Brexit think tanks. You start to realise that the people who try to get into these trusts are usually a front for some murkier characters.
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yep, one of the RT's heads was chairman of the IEA. From what I read, they went in so heavy-handed that it was obvious what they were trying to do - when one of the NT trustees they wanted out has the name recognition of Penelope Keith, the resistance was pretty strong.
 
johnny crossan said:
Good to hear she was prepared for her missionary role but I'm not sure I share your perspective at all.
The world has moved on from these manufactured culture wars and is going in a very dangerous direction.
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You don't have to share my perspective, but perhaps you could avoid disrespecting my friend.

I have not spoken of manufactured culture wars. I have spoken of the tension that exists when truth that has been hidden is then revealed. Some people never want it spoken of, as you allude to about NT members who wish to remember the greatness of our nation. Others know, or are discovering, that such greatness was partly achieved through the exploitation of others. It is just truth.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I'll spell it out.

When you happily inform fellow-Britons that there’s no such thing as a prevailing English culture, because for you it's just beer bellied white racists, or Hooray Henry's, the sons and daughters of the evil British Empire, belting out Rule Britannia at the Proms, or St George was Turkish and the Royal Family is shit and the Union flag is divisive coz diversity is our strength or whatever else you tell yourself to fuel your divisive fantasy, what you actually mean is that this culture – the culture of working class England, the culture of Middle England – doesn’t contain anything you value.

And that's why they're flying their flags, coz it's a big fuck you.
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No it's not, they're doing to make immigrants feel unwelcome. And it's entirely possible to be working class english and fucking hate every single thing you've mentioned there.
 
oldius said:
You don't have to share my perspective, but perhaps you could avoid disrespecting my friend.

I have not spoken of manufactured culture wars. I have spoken of the tension that exists when truth that has been hidden is then revealed. Some people never want it spoken of, as you allude to about NT members who wish to remember the greatness of our nation. Others know, or are discovering, that such greatness was partly achieved through the exploitation of others. It is just truth.
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No disrespect intended, apologies if that impression was created. We clearly differ on what constitutes historical 'truth' and whether there has been some deliberate attempt to conceal it in the UK. The case can certainly be made for some communist and fascist regimes in other countries but here the stories our society tells us to help us to make sense of reality are usually believed to be 'true' by those that purvey them at the time.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I'll spell it out.

When you happily inform fellow-Britons that there’s no such thing as a prevailing English culture, because for you it's just beer bellied white racists, or Hooray Henry's, the sons and daughters of the evil British Empire, belting out Rule Britannia at the Proms, or St George was Turkish and the Royal Family is shit and the Union flag is divisive coz diversity is our strength or whatever else you tell yourself to fuel your divisive fantasy, what you actually mean is that this culture – the culture of working class England, the culture of Middle England – doesn’t contain anything you value.

And that's why they're flying their flags, coz it's a big fuck you.
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I absolutely value so much of my working-classness. I was born and raised in Moss Side. My dad was a spark and my mum was a cleaner. My uncles lived in the opposite high-rise blocks where they were caretakers. We were close. We valued a Sunday roast. We took care of each other, and of our neighbours. We loved a gossip and life around the telly. My dad took me out playing football or for a picnic in the park because it was free.

I can love all that but not like the Royals because of hush money payments, affairs, visits to children's homes, visits to Epstein's island, exemptions from the Race Discrimination Act when recruiting staff, and self-awarded pay-rises during national austerity.

I don't like hooray Henry who pays no tax. I have no problem with HH apart from that. I don't like racists, nor those who use the flag to threaten those of a different ethnicity. I have no issue with a bit of cloth with colours on it. I don't like the absolute inequality in our nation.

I absolutely adore our green and pleasant land. I love the NHS. I cannot speak for what the OP values, but it is nearly always more nuanced than portrayed.
 
johnny crossan said:
No disrespect intended, apologies if that impression was created. We clearly differ on what constitutes historical 'truth' and whether there has been some deliberate attempt to conceal it in the UK. The case can certainly be made for some communist and fascist regimes in other countries but here the stories our society tells us to help us to make sense of reality are usually believed to be 'true' by those that purvey them at the time.
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Apology accepted, and opinions will vary. It is through dialogue and education that we learn and grow.
 
You're all arguing fundamental politics, who is right who is wrong. Just doesn't matter. The country is going to vote in Reform. The current and previous govns have just not listened. That's the problem.

In future they will hopefully, if Farage doesn't fuck it all up.
 
bluejon said:
No it's not, they're doing to make immigrants feel unwelcome. And it's entirely possible to be working class english and fucking hate every single thing you've mentioned there.
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I thought I'd spelled it out but I've gone back and spelled it out again in simplistic terms. Yes, it is possible to be working class and hate the things I referenced, I'm working class and hate many of them myself.

The point I was making is the characteristics I listed are nought but caricatures that Vic, and clearly you, have constructed to justify your already settled conclusion. I repeat, so there's no misunderstanding, these caricatures exist to fit the conclusion you've already come to.

Once you've created your caricature, your enemy, you must deliberately rubbish them. Coz if your enemy is a worthless piece of shit then who gives a shit what they think, that way you skip the tricky bit where you try to understand why they're doing what they're doing.,

Don't kid yourself, that's clearly how you and Vic see many of your fellow Brits, they're shits, they're the enemy.
 
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The Fat el Hombre said:
Lol:

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Is anyone still maintaining it's just a show of patriotic fervour?

Just today I've had it mentioned by one guy (Kenyan Asian who left Kenya after independence; descendant of Indians taken by Britain to build African railways) and another (EU citizen married to a Brit; they met when she worked in the EU but they moved here 20 years ago). Both felt intimidated, and felt that that was the intention.
 
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