VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

My prediction is that there will be just as much debate over why these decisions are or are not "clear and obvious" as there are now about the referee's decision.

Making the whole thing pointless.
My point in a nutshell. Pointless. It's like they have this thing and want to use it. Rather than we have a problem that needs fixing.
 
No issue with them checking corners. It takes 10 seconds after the ball goes out to verify over comms. In many cases it's a double ricochet that many in the ground have seen but the match officials somehow haven't.

I think the last one I saw was Fulham being robbed of a corner (which they were looking threatening from) despite it clearly coming off Luke Shaws head with no Fulham player close to getting his head on it.

They reversed decisions during the CWC and like the Semi auto offsides with ball sensor*, it was quick & seamless.
 
As I understand it the corner or, not a corner check will only be completed if a goal results as they dont want delay the corner being taken
Who knows what will change in the future?

But for now, the VAR can not take re-starts into account when looking at the APP ( Attacking Phase of Play ) of a goal and there's no suggestion that is going to change any time soon.
 
They have lost the plot . The whole calamity is revealing the absolute drift away from the foundational values of football . It's no longer a sport, it's a product for the entertainment business .

For over a century spectators have found sanctuary from the chaos and unfairness of daily life by supporting a team. Trapsing along to stand on concrete steps in all weathers with a poor view to watch twenty two men skid , slide and suffer and somehow wrench beauty out of the dire conditions both players and fans tolerate .

For ninety minutes we could live in a world of clear rules and rapid decisions, with the tantalising possibility of ecstacy or devastation at any moment . Poor decisions happened , whether through human error or corruption , but the experience of ninety minutes of shared theatre, shared suffering was both bonding and enduring . Everyone understood the man in black was to be universally hated and noone questioned their authority . Humans are human after all . Pure theatre as an escape from the travails of real life

Television changed everything with "action replays" seeking truth but implying perfection in decision making in a game that lives and breathes dynamism and flow . Then we got monetisation, wall to wall coverage , pundits , post match interviews with irate managers, all undermining decisions that mere humans made in real time . Along comes social media with it's acid with and savvy creators and television has to double down on outrage and controversy and the TV audience lap it up . During this media war those of us who go to matches are forgotten and kept in the dark . We no longer matter. . The real action is elsewhere at home , in a pub or on the internet where social media creators memes go viral before the final whistle and one controversy has got more heft than anyone at the ground has any clue about .

For referees VAR was supposed to be the answer to this deluge of criticism . But by then the game had sold it's soul to television and it's need for daily outrage . These controversial decisions are cat nip for the media and the media controls every aspect of the game .

If it wanted to it could fund an analytical investigation into the data around VAR , penalties and disallowed goals , red cards and share this to calm things down . But we are living in an age of the entertainment wars , opinion and drama always winning over facts ....and in more important arenas than football . The handball rule adjustments in the last few years have the same tone as the cobbled together FFP / PSR chaos. Don't panic , Captain Mannering . It doesn't matter that no one understands them . In fact it creates more controversy and content . Job done .

All that said I will still keep going to matches , still chase the thrill of a sublime moment , still enjoy the camaraderie and banter. But my patience is wearing thin .
This was a beautiful summary of football in the modern age. But I think we should remember when football was truly modern as in the early to mid 2010s style. Before VAR was introduced, a time in which so-called modern football was a stand, against change, for tradition. But then all hell broke loose and VAR took over, breaking tradition and going to great lengths to reinvent the wheel, of a sport that was doing just fine when they did that, in fact much better than how it is now a decade later.

Modern football was essentially "normal" football before VAR took over and made "Modern" football something completely different. I fight against this that has been done to football in various ways, but your summation was genuinely inspiring to read, from a true fan who sees the difference and did very well to express that and to convey the message of what has been lost. But in the end to still have the willingness to press on in the VAR era, but to see a more subdued, more diluted football take over replacing the one you love that you described so fondly, has to take its toll on the psyche, as in the psyche of the fan.

To see this change and to see our enthusiasm for the sport reduced by this new way of doing things is a very serious problem and a threat to the future of football. I am developing an effective way to combat this, but seeing your encouragement to the cause and to working with the situation as it exists inspires me even more, to press on in the fight against VAR and to find ways to overcome.
 
This was a beautiful summary of football in the modern age. But I think we should remember when football was truly modern as in the early to mid 2010s style. Before VAR was introduced, a time in which so-called modern football was a stand, against change, for tradition. But then all hell broke loose and VAR took over, breaking tradition and going to great lengths to reinvent the wheel, of a sport that was doing just fine when they did that, in fact much better than how it is now a decade later.

Modern football was essentially "normal" football before VAR took over and made "Modern" football something completely different. I fight against this that has been done to football in various ways, but your summation was genuinely inspiring to read, from a true fan who sees the difference and did very well to express that and to convey the message of what has been lost. But in the end to still have the willingness to press on in the VAR era, but to see a more subdued, more diluted football take over replacing the one you love that you described so fondly, has to take its toll on the psyche, as in the psyche of the fan.

To see this change and to see our enthusiasm for the sport reduced by this new way of doing things is a very serious problem and a threat to the future of football. I am developing an effective way to combat this, but seeing your encouragement to the cause and to working with the situation as it exists inspires me even more, to press on in the fight against VAR and to find ways to overcome.
Thank you .I'm trying hard too .I think we are living in an age dominated by indignation and dis empowerment in so many areas of life . VAR is perfect for our times as it breaks the link or bond between players , match going fans and the man in black All of us are in the stadium and we're experiencing the raw emotions together . Then the game stops and we have no idea what is going on . Is it a goal or not . Is it a penalty . It's as if we in the stadium have been disenfranchised and the real action is taking place in the pub or living room . It's all correct by the rules of the game but what are we loosing ? It was that CL game against Tottenham that did it for me . Utter joy then utter disbelief .
 

I'm sure Fulham and Wolves will feel relieved PiGMOL have apologised for match fixing...Sorry their "error"
 
OK not sure this is fully VAR but bear with me...

On Sat Doku burst into the box, was getting fouled by Walker but got a shot away. My question is why is that not given as a penalty as it was a clear foul, even though Doku had a shot? There is no advantage from the shot so for me, VAR should have intervened and given a pen. But I get the feeling that as he shot, the ref and VAR would never give a pen no matter what so this then leads to the question, why stay on your feet if you are getting fouled in the penalty area? Basically if you try to score you get nothing but if you go down you are more likely to get a pen. If they want to cut diving out I think they need to look at these types or scenarios.
 
As I understand it the corner or, not a corner check will only be completed if a goal results as they dont want delay the corner being taken
what about missed off sides in bild up ...... how far do we go back i guess depends on team involved

giving corner when clear off side in build up winds me up
 
OK not sure this is fully VAR but bear with me...

On Sat Doku burst into the box, was getting fouled by Walker but got a shot away. My question is why is that not given as a penalty as it was a clear foul, even though Doku had a shot? There is no advantage from the shot so for me, VAR should have intervened and given a pen. But I get the feeling that as he shot, the ref and VAR would never give a pen no matter what so this then leads to the question, why stay on your feet if you are getting fouled in the penalty area? Basically if you try to score you get nothing but if you go down you are more likely to get a pen. If they want to cut diving out I think they need to look at these types or scenarios.
I was always told you never play advantage in the box
 
Before VAR came in, 82% of decisions made by officials were correct.
Since VAR has been introduced, 96% of decisions made have been correct.

It was always needed but we need to entice and train a better talent pool of officials because the current crop and depth of talent aren’t/isn’t good enough.

The technology itself is fine.
 
Before VAR came in, 82% of decisions made by officials were correct.
Since VAR has been introduced, 96% of decisions made have been correct.

It was always needed but we need to entice and train a better talent pool of officials because the current crop and depth of talent aren’t/isn’t good enough.

The technology itself is fine.
I agree.

It's the cunts using it that's the problem.
 

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