Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

Horrible way to go, and his poor kids were present. I don’t think you’re ever getting over that.

This is just another staging post in the seemingly inexorable march towards civil war in the States. It’s not imminent but it’s certainly getting closer. I’m struggling to see how this direction of travel can be reversed without some widespread, violent denouement. Trump’s rhetoric and actions are unquestionably acting as a catalyst to this, horrible **** that he is.

I’m struggling to think of a greater example of a refusal to accept plain logic of that of the pro gun lobby’s inability to acknowledge that the proliferation guns at least plays a material part in the level of gun related deaths in US society. It’s akin to denying that the invention of powered flight has had any impact on the existence of plane crashes.
 
SWP's back said:
I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.
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Nowt wrong with empathy, it is a human trait, using it as a devise for social or polictical gain though is pretty twattish behaviour.


And on this and many other senseless deaths across the globe in their millions, having a moment to feel sorry for his wife now a widow and two children who. have lost their father is natural and nothing wrong with it, but before I read it here I had never heard of him and within minutes this was just another incident with no more thoughts on it till now, once posted I won't think about this again once unless responding to the probably replies I get to this calling me heartless or such.

Empathy is not a bad thing and we can all have it, pretending to actually care when deep down you don't bar passing voyeurism is the fallacy
 
Snape said:
Empathy isn’t some fluffy woke term. It’s a fundamental human skill, especially in any profession ie medical profession where you deal with people, pain, or vulnerability.
It's not about being soft or indulgent, it's about being able to understand another person’s experience well enough to respond appropriately and ethically.
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I think you need to research what SWP posted.
 
Just seen the video. Grim stuff. And his young family were there as well, apparently Puzzling how the assassin has seemingly got away. Looking at the high level footage, there was a large crowd there, most of them (presumably?) fans of Kirk. If the gunman was close to the stage, he'd likely have been in the middle of those people. They'd have ripped him to pieces, no? And if he shot him from some distance away, that's one hell of a shot.
 
Made the mistake of looking on Twitter

Usual gabble from the loons, Tommy Robinson using it to "calm down" his patriot rally on Saturday.

People on the "left" or those who don't agree with things that the lad said being labelled as violent thugs, some people rejoicing in a poor lad being sniped

Maybe this moving to Mars thing that Musk was promoting isn't such a bad idea after all
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I was just going to write (yet again) — no one should be drawing conclusions about motive yet. If it turns out some Nick Fuentes disciple did this, or a John Hinckley-type (look it up, people), things are gonna get more complicated. Personally I doubt it, but it’s a possibility.
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Nothing can be served by people jumping to conclusions, but it's probably wishful thinking to believe that it wont happen.

America needs someone to go in and calm things down right now, unfortunately it's more likely the fires will be stoked.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Still not found the shooter, blimey.
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My suspicion is raised immediately. Must have been some marksman from 200 yards to pick him out. Yet just disappeared. Assumptions already being made it’s a lefty but who knows? Could be a random nutter who doesn’t like him or a follower of another far right nutjob. Anyway detracts from Epstein for a while doesn’t it? Didn’t notice this amount of outrage when the Democrat politician and her husband were murdered a few weeks ago. Yes it was reported but not to this extent.
 
Ysabel 123 said:
It's a tough one mate, no country should allow civilians to have guns (as America proves with the mass shootings). But I do believe that all British police should carry them. cunts like that Dale Creagan prove my point
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No, it's not a tough one at all. "Opining" that gun deaths are needed to keep the second amendment is a hateful, heartless thing to publicize when literally thousands of American adults have had their children taken from them precisely because of the second amendment.

Police bearing arms had nothing to do with my post, and is entirely different from civilians carrying them round a local Asda.
 
jimharri said:
Just seen the video. Grim stuff. And his young family were there as well, apparently Puzzling how the assassin has seemingly got away. Looking at the high level footage, there was a large crowd there, most of them (presumably?) fans of Kirk. If the gunman was close to the stage, he'd likely have been in the middle of those people. They'd have ripped him to pieces, no? And if he shot him from some distance away, that's one hell of a shot.
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From the roof, apparently.
 
jimharri said:
Just seen the video. Grim stuff. And his young family were there as well, apparently Puzzling how the assassin has seemingly got away. Looking at the high level footage, there was a large crowd there, most of them (presumably?) fans of Kirk. If the gunman was close to the stage, he'd likely have been in the middle of those people. They'd have ripped him to pieces, no? And if he shot him from some distance away, that's one hell of a shot.
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200 yard sniper shot. Professional hit? Who knows.
 
Ysabel 123 said:
It's a tough one mate, no country should allow civilians to have guns (as America proves with the mass shootings). But I do believe that all British police should carry them. cunts like that Dale Creagan prove my point
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I would feel incredibly uneasy about all British police carrying guns. Many policemen share the same opinion.

There is little need in the U.K. as we do not have the same level of gun ownership in the population.

The USA is a nuthouse.
 
Manchester33 said:
I would feel incredibly uneasy about all British police carrying guns. Many policemen share the same opinion.

There is little need in the U.K. as we do not have the same level of gun ownership in the population.

The USA is a nuthouse.
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Saw a video of a guy who walked into a grocery store, he bought some cornflakes, milk, some eggs and then in the same grocery store, he walked past a gun stand where you could also buy guns and families walked by with their kids like its nothing.
 
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Manchester33 said:
I would feel incredibly uneasy about all British police carrying guns. Many policemen share the same opinion.

There is little need in the U.K. as we do not have the same level of gun ownership in the population.

The USA is a nuthouse.
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Yeah I agree.

Besides, we do have armed response

Were there times in the UK when it would have been ideal for regular biddle to carry guns? I'm sure there has been, but I reckon it'd be outweighed by the how often they'd get overused if they had them.

American bobbies have no choice..it would be open season on them if they were walking around unarmed there.
 
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