Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

happy_blue_apple said:
I don't think he was racist. All he did was point out issues in the black community and disproportionate crime rates, single parent families in USA etc.. all facts that should be allowed to be brought up to get to a solution or conversation. He also set up things like Young Black Leaders summits to inspire young black people. Does that sound like racist guy?

He wasn't racist, he just wasn't afraid to point out statistics that make people uncomfortable to bring up, but it wasn't done to make a racist point.

Plenty I didn't agree with him on. Too much of a conservative Christian for me. But racist? No, I dont believe he was.
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But why leave it with black people when those same statistics are just as prevalent in low income white communities in the rural and deep south of america, the statistics for them are just as uncomfortable but thats a conversation that nobody wants to have because that is the bedrock of trumps support?
 
Didn’t Kirk say that Paul Pelosi’s attacker should be bailed?

I absolutely condemn his shooting. It was an utterly horrendous act inflicted on someone who - from what I can tell - seemed willing to debate and engage with others.

But the example I cited, if correct, suggests that Kirk himself trivialised political violence.
 
If only we could learn from our past.

In particular that we have far more to fear from the murderous intolerance and illeberality of the left.

As has been demonstrated time and time again with all the most oppressive, intolerant and genocidal regimes throughout 20th century history being left wing.
 
The blue phantom said:
He's already making waves stating the flags will be at half master all over the country.
It is sad that he's died and in front of his family, But we have to remember this was a despicable and poisonous human being. Full of absolute hatred.
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Can you provide some examples and quotes of his "absolute hatred" please.
 
jacko74 said:
If only we could learn from our past.

In particular that we have far more to fear from the murderous intolerance and illeberality of the left.

As has been demonstrated time and time again with all the most oppressive, intolerant and genocidal regimes throughout 20th century history being left wing.
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Oh please, it happens on both sides, as pointed out numerous times when just 8 weeks ago a far right Trump supporter assassinated a state representative, her husband and their dog.
 
i just learned today that he grew up in the village I live in, went to High School just up the road, and attended Community College where my niece currently goes. Had no idea.

He is someone who lived by the sword that killed him. He was a racist, full of hatred for other, who was killed by someone who clearly hated that Kirk himself was “other” than he was.

It is a joke that flags have been ordered to half staff for this. He lived by the Right Wing FAFO creed and found out.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Watching the video the shot comes from his left and seems distant so had to be a sniper otherwise someone in the crowd would’ve pointed out the gunman/woman. This has got to be ex military a one shot kill and gone.
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I think you underestimate how many Americans own high end sniper rifles and use them enough to be able to do this kind of thing from a distance.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
He suggested Black pilots are unqualified.

He blamed a Black fire chief in Texas, for flooding deaths that occurred.

He denounced the passage of the 1965 Civil Rights Act and discredited Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as “awful” and “not a good person.”

He devoted a chunk of his podcast to honoring the influential evangelical pastor John MacArthur - called him “one of the most influential Protestant minds since the Reformation,” and a “legend” . One of MacArthur’s most famous old-fashioned beliefs was that slavery was godly.
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He never said all black pilots are under qualified. It was a point about we shouldn't hire people on the basis of skin colour for jobs like pilots just to fill a quota if they're not correctly qualified. It's happened before. If they're perfectly qualified and experienced, then of course skin colour should never matter. But diversity hires for the sake of diversity hires don't belong in certain industries.

As for Martin Luther King, well his cause was good. There's claims of him being a woman beater. Also him and a pastor abused some women in a hotel room... I wouldn't put that in the category of a good person but he obviously had a good cause. That's the thing with people, they are multi-layered. Take Charlie Kirk, people would think he's a bad person but he did some good things like setting up a young black leaders summit to inspire people. you would say that's an active good right? but from a bad person in your view.

That's the thing when people have a side they choose. You can really pick holes in anybody to suit what you want to say and leave the rest
 
happy_blue_apple said:
He never said all black pilots are under qualified. It was a point about we shouldn't hire people on the basis of skin colour for jobs like pilots just to fill a quota if they're not correctly qualified.
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Could you explain what an UNCORRECTLY qualified pilot is, please?

Pilots have been hired under affirmative action for decades in the safest aviation system in the world.

Careful how you go…
 
happy_blue_apple said:
He never said all black pilots are under qualified. It was a point about we shouldn't hire people on the basis of skin colour for jobs like pilots just to fill a quota if they're not correctly qualified. It's happened before. If they're perfectly qualified and experienced, then of course skin colour should never matter. But diversity hires for the sake of diversity hires don't belong in certain industries.

As for Martin Luther King, well his cause was good. There's claims of him being a woman beater. Also him and a pastor abused some women in a hotel room... I wouldn't put that in the category of a good person but he obviously had a good cause. That's the thing with people, they are multi-layered. Take Charlie Kirk, people would think he's a bad person but he did some good things like setting up a young black leaders summit to inspire people. you would say that's an active good right? but from a bad person in your view.

That's the thing when people have a side they choose. You can really pick holes in anybody to suit what you want to say and leave the rest
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He said if he saw a qualified black pilot, he'd question his qualifications.

He was also homophobic and misogynistic.

He called gay people an error.

Your last paragraph makes no sense as you are doing the exact same thing as those you criticise. You're promoting the things he said that you like and ignoring his most hateful, divisive comments.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Forget Charlie Kirk for a moment and just focus on the fact that the current POTUS has ordered all flags in the USA to be lowered to half staff for a period of respect for the death of an extreme right wing, racist, social commentator and podcaster just because he said nice things about him, and realised just how fucking insane that is.
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I ask out of ignorance because although i had seen charlie kirk id not really listened too much of what he said. That sort of american debating isnt for me at all

But .. what has he said that is racist?
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
I think you underestimate how many Americans own high end sniper rifles and use them enough to be able to do this kind of thing from a distance.
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Exactly!

Any decent shot with a “red dot” sight (who isn’t shaking because he’s about to commit murder) could do it!

For the uninitiated, a red dot sight doesn’t mean the laser pointer you see in the movies!
 
Can somebody explain why this story is getting so much media coverage in the UK? Unless you were a follower/sympathiser here he had no role in our system and was just another example of the views that thrive amongst certain sections of the US populace.
 
happy_blue_apple said:
He never said all black pilots are under qualified. It was a point about we shouldn't hire people on the basis of skin colour for jobs like pilots just to fill a quota if they're not correctly qualified. It's happened before. If they're perfectly qualified and experienced, then of course skin colour should never matter. But diversity hires for the sake of diversity hires don't belong in certain industries.

As for Martin Luther King, well his cause was good. There's claims of him being a woman beater. Also him and a pastor abused some women in a hotel room... I wouldn't put that in the category of a good person but he obviously had a good cause. That's the thing with people, they are multi-layered. Take Charlie Kirk, people would think he's a bad person but he did some good things like setting up a young black leaders summit to inspire people. you would say that's an active good right? but from a bad person in your view.

That's the thing when people have a side they choose. You can really pick holes in anybody to suit what you want to say and leave the rest
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Earlyriser said:
Can somebody explain why this story is getting so much media coverage in the UK? Unless you were a follower/sympathiser here he had no role in our system and was just another example of the views that thrive amongst certain sections of the US populace.
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Thought it would be more to be honest. It was 4th on the list on GMB. Not looked at anything else. It’s the socials that it’s mainly dominating.

The Ukrainian girls disgusting murder should be dwarfing this and everything else. It’s like it never happened.
 
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