Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

Surprised they've caught him. If you're going to do something like that, i can only imagine you have to expect you're not going to get away with it in this age with surveillance everywhere and so probably have a plan in place to go out on your own terms or, you don't even bother trying to escape.

Will be interesting to see whether anything dodgy happens to him.
 

Suspect in his early 20s​

The suspect being held by authorities is in his early 20s and is from Utah, according to our US partner network NBC.

Earlier, Donald Trump said the suspect was "28 or 29", but caveated that his facts were "subject to be corrected" and "based on what I'm hearing".

It changes by the minute.
 

'I couldn't care less', Trump says about division within the country​

The president, when asked about how we “fix the country” or “come back together” after Kirk’s shooting, says that he “couldn’t care less”.

“The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime, worried about the border,” Trump says. “The radicals on the left are the problem, and they’re vicious and they’re horrible and they’re politically savvy”.
 
His father convinced him to hand himself in apparently around 28 years old. Fuck being that guy right now.
When i was 28, my sole intentions were trying to scuttle some chicks in Picadilly 21’s and then worrying about getting home from some dodgy council estate before her kids got up.

This c*nts shooting people in the neck with a rifle from 200,000 yards away causing a big fuck off meltdown and upsetting world leaders!!!!
 
I've never heard of this guy and I suspect that's the case for 90% of the UK. I'm surprised the story is rumbling along as front page news over here.
I've got to admit I had no idea who this guy was. Yesterday BBC's news website had dozens of separate articles and todays' Daily Mail over 20.
Not sure why this particular incident in the US warrants that level of coverage with the UK media.
 
For the 3,894th time, you do not know why he was killed.

I believe you’re going to leave this thread after SWP’s post, or have a bit of a personal moral crisis if you say “So what?” to it, but I will reiterate — again for the 3,894th time — there is a difference among HAVING beliefs, SPEAKING your beliefs, and HOW you speak them.

Being offended by how people say things is a personal matter. What offends you may not offend me. HOW someone says something may not be as big a deal to you as it does me or vice versa.

Truth is you don't like his political views so you find his murder to be more justified than you you would if it was someone you feel more aligned with.

You have every right to feel that way if that's who you are. Personally I'm not that callous. I think it's horrific a man got murdered in public because he had views that divided opinion, nothing more.
 
The suspect has been named as Tyler Robinson, according to our US partner NBC News, citing five senior law enforcement officials familiar with the case.

Robinson is born in 2003 and from Utah, the officials add.
 
When i was 28, my sole intentions were trying to scuttle some chicks in Picadilly 21’s and then worrying about getting home from some dodgy council estate before her kids got up.

This c*nts shooting people in the neck with a rifle from 200,000 yards away causing a big fuck off meltdown and upsetting world leaders!!!!

Name now released and correct age.

The suspect arrested and accused of killing Charlie Kirk has been identified as Tyler Robinson, five senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter told NBC News.

Robinson, 22, is from Utah.
 
Being offended by how people say things is a personal matter. What offends you may not offend me. HOW someone says something may not be as big a deal to you as it does me or vice versa.

Truth is you don't like his political views so you find his murder to be more justified than you you would if it was someone you feel more aligned with.

You have every right to feel that way if that's who you are. Personally I'm not that callous. I think it's horrific a man got murdered in public because he had views that divided opinion, nothing more.
This is the part where we might agree to disagree, but instead, I’ll just bluntly state the facts: you continue to claim facts not in evidence, and you literally cannot read and comprehend English.
 
His father convinced him to hand himself in apparently around 28 years old. Fuck being that guy right now.

Why? I mean why? He's nailed on to get the death penalty if somebody doesn't top him first. He'd have been better off over indulging in whatever gets his rocks off and then topping himself once they found him.
Once he squeezed that trigger his own life was effectively over.
 
To any others saying “he never advocated for violence” or that all he did was “calmly debate”, some light reading from our friends at Reddit, including sources.

Charlie Kirk's Documented Calls for Political Violence (2012-2024)

Direct Calls for Death and Public Executions:

* Called for President Biden to receive "the death penalty for his crimes against America" (July 2023)\^1
* "Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" - suggested children should watch (2024)\^2
* Called for "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor" invoking Nazi war crimes imagery (April 2024)\^3

Calling for Lethal Force Against Migrants and Minorities:

* Advocated lethal force against migrants: "If you enter, we have lethal force, and we're willing to use it" and "You can start with firing next to them" (March 2024)\^4
* Advocated using whips against migrants, asking "Why is that controversial?"\^5
* Warned of "enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes" requiring armed response\^6
* Directed supporters: "Buy weapons. Buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you"\^7

Violent Anti-LGBTQ+ Statements:

* Said he "would've loved" if fathers "formed a line" to physically confront transgender athletes: "you're going to have to come through us"\^8
* Called transgender people "an abomination" and "a throbbing middle finger to God"\^9
* Advocated handling LGBTQ+ people "the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s" (era of criminalization and forced institutionalization)\^10

Extreme Anti-Black and Antisemitic Rhetoric:

* Called George Floyd a "scumbag"\^11
* Said Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake"\^12
* "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'"\^13
* Called Martin Luther King Jr. "awful" and "not a good person"\^14
* Claimed Jewish people control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it"\^15
* "The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country"\^16

Great Replacement Theory and White Supremacist Messaging:

* Promoted "Great Replacement" theory: "not a theory, it's a reality" - Democrats seek to "diminish and decrease white demographics in America"\^17
* SPLC documents Kirk warning that "native born Americans are being replaced by foreigners" and promising Trump will "liberate" the country from "the enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes"\^18

Celebrating and Normalizing Violence:

* Said gun deaths are "worth it" to preserve Second Amendment rights\^19
* Promoted Christian nationalist "Seven Mountain Mandate" ideology calling for theocratic takeover through "spiritual warfare"\^20

Targeting and Harassment Campaigns:

* Created "Professor Watchlists" that resulted in death threats, rape threats, and antisemitic harassment\^21
* Arizona State University President documented that Kirk's watchlist generated "antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ+ and misogynistic attacks on ASU faculty"\^22
* One professor resigned after "nearly a year of harassment by right-wing, white supremacist media outlets"\^23
* Maintained "School Board Watchlists" targeting local education officials\^24

January 6 Capitol Attack Organization:

* Organized "80+ buses full of patriots to D.C. to fight for this president"\^25
* Admitted receiving "500 emails a minute calling for a civil war" before January 6\^26
* Pleaded the Fifth over 70 times when questioned by House January 6 Committee\^27

Civil Rights Organizations' Classification as Extremist:

* Southern Poverty Law Center added Turning Point USA to official "Hate Map" as "antigovernment extremist group" (2024)\^28
* Anti-Defamation League documents Kirk's systematic antisemitic rhetoric\^29
* Academic research from Cambridge Core and Brookings Institution documents Kirk's rhetoric following established patterns of stochastic terrorism\^30

Documented Legal Consequences and Criminal Investigations:

* Federal Election Commission fined Kirk's organization $18,000 for campaign finance violations\^31
* Multiple universities paid settlements totaling tens of thousands of dollars after Kirk's "Professor Watchlist" resulted in documented death threats\^32
* Criminal charges filed in multiple states against TPUSA personnel for violent confrontations, including felony assault charges in Arizona\^33
* Yolo County District Attorney investigating coordinated attacks at UC Davis that could result in felony charges carrying up to three years in prison\^34

International Recognition as Extremist:

* Socialist Worker UK described his content as a "cesspit of far right lies, vile racism, transphobia"\^35
* CBC Canada documented his "combative style" as making him a "potent political force" in promoting extremist ideologies\^36
* Al Jazeera noted Kirk's "provocative style" as deliberately inflammatory political messaging\^37

General Violence Normalization:

* Regularly promoted false claims about 2020 election integrity leading to January 6\^38
* Systematic rhetoric describing Democratic governance as illegitimate\^39
* Network Contagion Research Institute documents Kirk's systematic provision of mainstream legitimacy to white nationalist figures\^40

Sources:

\^1 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...son-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against)

\^2 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)

\^3 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...e-trial-every-gender-affirming-clinic-doctor)

\^4 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^5 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^6 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^7 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^8 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^9 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^10 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^11 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^12 [https://www.breezyscroll.com/world/...rld/the-us/charlie-kirk-controversial-takes/)

\^13 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^14 [https://populartimelines.com/timeli...timeline/Charlie-Kirk/controversies-scandals)

\^15 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^16 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^17 [https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mented-immigrants-are-not-proof-of-a-scheme/)

\^18 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^19 [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c...om/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/)

\^20 [https://politicalresearch.org/strat...sa-increasingly-leaning-right-wing-christian)

\^21 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^22 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^23 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^24 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^25 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-insurrection-buses-washington-tweet-1560727)

\^26 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^27 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-fifth-asked-his-age-jan-6-committee-1768952)

\^28 [https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...lc-laughingstock-listing-turning-point-hate/)

\^29 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^30 [https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-on-twitter/8BCBD1F909A861589D93F7124AFE1A7E)

\^31 [https://www.citizensforethics.org/n...point-action-fined-following-crew-complaint/)

\^32 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^33 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^34 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^35 [https://socialistworker.co.uk/comme...charlie-kkkirks-chickens-come-home-to-roost/)

\^36 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl.../world/charlie-kirk-death-reaction-1.7630652)

\^37 [https://time.com/7316280/charlie-ki...316280/charlie-kirk-dead-political-violence/)

\^38 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^39 [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ul-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/)

\^40 [https://libcom.org/article/network-...ate-fight-political-infection-left-and-right)

Well he wasn't wrong about George Floyd at least..

He was a scumbag that had been to jail multiple times and held a gun at a pregnant ladies stomach while they robbed her house.

If you think the world is a better place without Kirk's views, that's fair enough, but then let's also agree the world is better without the likes of Floyd roaming the streets. He was a piece of shite.

Neither deserved to die the way they did though.
 

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