The Rise of the Far Right

[meltonblue]

You're right, it doesn't, so why is the stage left to Tommy Robinson, Steve Bannon, Katie Hopkins, Laurence Fox and Ant Middleton?

You answered it, they’ve got control of the narrative. It’s not just the “left” that haven’t got it right now, even Farage hasn’t.

That’s why they’re already splintering. Now it’s mainstream, it’s much more difficult to define their actual version of cultural nationalism and what that then means in terms of how they want the country ran.

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

I don't get it. Are you saying it's not racist because these two are there? You do know some of the worse racists are sometimes married to people from another race. Human psychology doesn't go in a straight line.

I was tongue-in-cheek making a point that it’s not a Nazi/Racist march and everyone attending is not a gammon, nuckle dragging bigot - otherwise these 2 gentleman would not have been welcomed and interviewed for tv.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It is fantastic that anybody who has slightly less empathy than others is considered far right.

People who publicly espouse far-right views are considered far right. It's not the complicated. If the main focus of your politics is based on highlighting a perceived threat to what you consider the native ethnic group from groups of an 'outside' culture, then you're far right. That's pretty much the definition of it. Nobody accused David Cameron or Theresa May of being far right, for example. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't used against anyone who's a bit conservative.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

What a turn out superb loads of blues down there

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

People who publicly espouse far-right views are considered far right. It's not the complicated. If the main focus of your politics is based on highlighting a perceived threat to what you consider the native ethnic group from groups of an 'outside' culture, then you're far right. That's pretty much the definition of it. Nobody accused David Cameron or Theresa May of being far right, for example. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't used against anyone who's a bit conservative.

Sadiq Khan accused Cameron of writing propaganda material for the EDL.

 

[meltonblue]

Sadiq Khan accused Cameron of writing propaganda material for the EDL.

Eventually turns out he was right! ;)

 

[The perfect fumble]

You answered it, they’ve got control of the narrative. It’s not just the “left” that haven’t got it right now, even Farage hasn’t.

That’s why they’re already splintering. Now it’s mainstream, it’s much more difficult to define their actual version of cultural nationalism and what that then means in terms of how they want the country ran.

They want an end to multiculturalism, they want the indigenous population recognised as such and they want the primacy of mainstream British culture acknowledged.

You see, it's not complicated at all.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It is fantastic that anybody who has slightly less empathy than others is considered far right.

And it’s interesting that anybody who don’t share the rights views is a leftie.

I don’t think I’ve ever talked in such terms yet it’s the centre of every page on here. Looks like it didn’t take long for people to take on the American mantra,

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I have a mate who is an Addicks fan. He went to the game today and has just got back to his daughters flat in Surbiton - a somewhat more protracted journey than usual due to TFL strikes so its been a series of buses and he has barely seen any of them so the claimed 3m - 5m people are presumably having a massive game of hide and seek.

He gets off the bus next to the station and he usually call in the Wetherspoons next door for a pint but not today as it’s packed with them and its a bit boisterous in there. The doorman said unless he was with the marchers he'd advise not going in as it looks like there will be trouble.

Why didn’t he go Charlton to Surbiton, via Waterloo East and then Waterloo, on the train? Would have taken him about an hour, no tube trains involved.
Mind you, if he did need the tube for some reason, they’re not actually on strike today.

 

[The perfect fumble]

People who publicly espouse far-right views are considered far right. It's not the complicated. If the main focus of your politics is based on highlighting a perceived threat to what you consider the native ethnic group from groups of an 'outside' culture, then you're far right. That's pretty much the definition of it. Nobody accused David Cameron or Theresa May of being far right, for example. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't used against anyone who's a bit conservative.

I'm not so sure about that, this is the "hostile environment" 2013....

 

[Don Karleone]

Good on Tim

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

Abhorrent views aside, they can have their day in the sun, as it's our right to protest as a country.

However, it's still a national disgrace.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

But this isn't primarily anti Muslim bigotry either.

If anything it's about ethno nationalism, and because the left are wedded to multiculturalism they have no means of talking about it, so that leaves the field clear for the racists to command the narrative.

It isn’t. The anti-Muslim thing is just a piece of the jigsaw puzzle.

With the ‘multiculturalism has failed’ thing, I’ve just not had the time to look into it.

A mate of mine has and keeps mentioning Will Kymlicka. He sent me some notes on some classes he taught but I couldn’t understand them.

I’ll have to get him to explain himself when I next see him.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

They want an end to multiculturalism, they want the indigenous population recognised as such and they want the primacy of mainstream British culture acknowledged.

That may or may not be true but what is undeniable, is the vast majority of people protesting would see absolutely no change to their lives, whatsoever, if all the ‘foreigners’ were somehow thrown out of the country tomorrow.
The idea that everyone would ‘have a GP’, school class sizes would be 20, there’d be no NHS waiting lists, there would be tax cuts, better services and no homeless people because ‘we’d be putting our own first’ is, sadly, for the birds and the charlatans selling that nonsense are the exact same people who said all our problems were because we were in the EU.
I say ‘exact same people’ but, of course they’re all considerably wealthier than they were 9 years ago and my contempt is far greater for them than the vast majority of people on the march.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Why didn’t he go Charlton to Surbiton, via Waterloo East and then Waterloo, on the train? Would have taken him about an hour, no tube trains involved.
Mind you, if he did need the tube for some reason, they’re not actually on strike today.

I have no idea - don't know the area myself just relating what he told me

 

[mattcity5]

They want an end to multiculturalism, they want the indigenous population recognised as such and they want the primacy of mainstream British culture acknowledged.

You see, it's not complicated at all.

How far back do we have to go to determine if someone counts as indigenous or not?

 

[BobKowalski]

Abhorrent views aside, they can have their day in the sun, as it's our right to protest as a country.

However, it's still a national disgrace.

True, although I think they nicked the idea off the Aussies who have been having March for Australia days recently.

 

[meltonblue]

They want an end to multiculturalism, they want the indigenous population recognised as such and they want the primacy of mainstream British culture acknowledged.

Exactly! So the exact same thing as the EDL wanted (well, aside from the indigenous population bit, thats even more extreme than they were depending what you mean by that).

The question then becomes what’s their definition of multiculturalism and what level of integration is acceptable for their view of cultural nationalism and the primacy of British culture to be fulfilled. That’s where they’re already splintering.

 

[urban genie]

This is all very depressing, our nation is heading down a dark path.

Time to opt out of the subject for the night switch on netflix or something else have a beer and worry about beating the rags

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I'm not so sure about that, this is the "hostile environment" 2013....

I dunno, that's kind of the Home Office's job. There's nothing far right about saying illegal immigrants are expected to go home. But as I mentioned, I think far right is defined by parties who make that their overwhelming or only focus. Certainly late-stage Tories of the last government were flirting with far-right rhetoric (certain members doing more than just flirting with it), but that was more because they've fucked up every other issue and had nothing left to turn to.