Have we have got our attitude and a spine of Captains back?

hilts said:
I can't be arsed getting into an argument especially with poor logic, candlepool are the champions they didn't have a poor season and are top.of table, I'm talking about us coz thats all.im bothered about as a city supporter.

Big game as against a good side to show we are improving as stated.

Fucks sake:-)
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How are they not big games though??

Are only Arsenal and Liverpool big games to you?
 
mancboy said:
he does, its just looks like he is starting to understand whats being asked of him, i think allowing him to wander is helping him as well as he looks v dangerous coming into the middle.
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That Doku 2/3 second burst through the middle of the penalty area will be the talk of every opposition now. He is unique. They can't touch him as he bursts through. There's no one quicker and the chaos that he will create will benefit Foden, Haaland, and all our attackers, as defensive shorts change colour during the match.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Friend, carefully and free of emotion, read my post once more. You're misinterpreting what I've posted.
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Firstly the tone of your response is coming across as patronising

Secondly I wouldn't consider it to be misinterpreting to assume you thinking Haaland doesn't fit a teams style and that they wouldn't work an elite player like him into the team to be you saying Enrique wouldn't work with a player like Haaland. It may not be your exact words but its a fairly small leap
 
Sleeping_Easy said:
If thats the case then he's either a miserable sod or suspicious
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Or it's not the case and @alexmcity is ignoring every positive post I've made about players - even players whom I don't rate - to the extent that they're my man-of-the-match... as a review of what I've posted will reveal. I call it as I see, unfiltered by my loyalty to City.

My side is City and I'll route for them until I die; and as such, I'll hope that every player in our side performs at their best level... always. At the same time - I'll call a spade a spade, unfiltered by loyalty - whether good or bad - or whether in line or not with my previous assessments (which are subject to change as time goes on).
 
Sleeping_Easy said:
Firstly the tone of your response is coming across as patronising

Secondly I wouldn't consider it to be misinterpreting to assume you thinking Haaland doesn't fit a teams style and that they wouldn't work an elite player like him into the team to be you saying Enrique wouldn't work with a player like Haaland. It may not be your exact words but its a fairly small leap
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I didn't want to come across as patronising.

At the same time, you originally - and still - misinterpret what I've posted.

Mbappe - for example - is world class.

Neymar was world class.

And even a declining Messi was world class.

Enter Enrique - and all of them are gone.

Why? - Because they don't fit how Enrique wants to play; and, perhaps secondarily, but important IMO, is that all three of Mbappe/Neymar/Messi are egomaniacs.

Haaland is a much better fit for sure for how Enrique wants to play than Mbappe/Neymar/Messi - because he has far less ego than the three I've mentioned and will do his best to play as the manager wants.

But so too Donnarumma - no ego, great at what he does - but not quite a fit for how Enrique wants to play.

Yes - Enrique for sure could accommodate Haaland - but if offered the choice between Haaland and Dembele - Enrique would choose Dembele 100%.

And so too Donnarumma - Donnarumma arguably won PSG the C/L due to his performance in goal - but he's out of PSG's side. Wage demands are probably a factor - but so too is style - Enrique wants ball control - and Donnarumma's strength is not in this department.

Somehow you've interpreted my post as stating that Enrique wouldn't work with Haaland if he were in his side - which is not at all what I've posted.

What I've posted is that given the choice between having Haaland or Dembele in his side, Enrique would choose Dembele - because Dembele is a better fit for his style of play.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I didn't want to come across as patronising.

At the same time, you originally - and still - misinterpret what I've posted.

Mbappe - for example - is world class.

Neymar was world class.

And even a declining Messi was world class.

Enter Enrique - and all of them are gone.

Why? - Because they don't fit how Enrique wants to play; and, perhaps secondarily but important IMO, is that all of them are egomaniacs.

Haaland is a much better fit for sure for how Enrique wants to play than Mbappe/Neymar/Messi - because he has far less ego that the three I've mentioned and will do his best to play as the manager wants.

But so too Donnarumma - no ego, great at what he does - but not quite a fit for how Enrique wants to play.

Yes - Enrique for sure could accommodate Haaland - but if offered the choice between Haaland and Dembele - Enrique would choose Dembele 100%.

And so too Donnarumma - Donnarumma arguably won PSG the C/L due to his performance in goal - but he's out of the side. Wage demands are probably a factor - but so too is style - Enrique wants ball control - and Donnarumma's strength is not in this department.

Somehow you've interpreted my post as stating that Enrique wouldn't work with Haaland if he were in his side - which is not at all what I've posted.

What I've posted is that given the choice between having Haaland or Dembele in his side, Enrique would choose Dembele - because Dembele is a better fit for his style of play.
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If PSG had the chance to sign Haaland tomorrow they'd take it and I don't even think thats debatable really.

As for your point on Donnarumma, their sporting director said that he was the first player they tried to renew after the UCL final but they couldn't agree on a deal for financial reasons. If it wasn't for that Donnarumma would still be PSG's first choice goalkeeper. Fair enough after that happened Enrique used it as a chance to change the style of his goalkeeper but one even definitely preceded the other.
 
Sleeping_Easy said:
If PSG had the chance to sign Haaland tomorrow they'd take it and I don't even think thats debatable really.

As for your point on Donnarumma, their sporting director said that he was the first player they tried to renew after the UCL final but they couldn't agree on a deal for financial reasons. If it wasn't for that Donnarumma would still be PSG's first choice goalkeeper. Fair enough after that happened Enrique used it as a chance to change the style of his goalkeeper but one even definitely preceded the other.
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>> If PSG had the chance to sign Haaland tomorrow they'd take it and I don't even think thats debatable really.
Fair enough - we entirely disagree on this point.

>> As for your point on Donnarumma, their sporting director said that he was the first player they tried to renew after the UCL final but they couldn't agree on a deal for financial reasons.
Agree; and as I've stated - if salary demands weren't an issue - Donnarumma would likely be in PSG's side.

But let's just suppose that Donnarumma was the ideal, 100% best keeper for PSG in the world... if that were the case then PSG would likely have made an exception for Donnarumma, IMO. It's not salary demands that's the singular issue - it's also that his style of play isn't ideal for what Enrique wants.

You'll disagree - as you did about Haaland - but that's my take - and on this point too, we're going to disagree regardless of further discussion.
 
Ysabel 123 said:
Donnarumma looks like he has given a few a wake up call, tonight we looked like we wouldn't be bullied

the spine of our team needs to be

Donnarumma

Diaz or Stones

Foden
Rodri
Silva

Haarland

Every one of them would get in Liverpool and Arsenals starting 11 IMO!


All SEVEN of them are treble winners and all are captains! That experience and attitude is exactly what united had in the early 2000's under Ferguson! if the above players want it like they did tonight, the rest of the squad will give everything they have to be part of it, and raise their game!

If we carry on wanting it like we did tonight, teams will soon be scared of playing us again, and be beat before they step foot on the pitch! just like in 2023!

Foden was born to do this, David Silva was his teacher!
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Make Godri captain and we have a chance of challenging
 
bluemc said:
He's certainly had a good couple of games, for sure. Can he keep that up consistently and against stronger opposition? We can only hope so at the moment. He's definitely got the tools to make it.
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The Foden assist and his goal last night were top quality moments. Your point about the strength of the opposition is erroneous
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I didn't want to come across as patronising.

At the same time, you originally - and still - misinterpret what I've posted.

Mbappe - for example - is world class.

Neymar was world class.

And even a declining Messi was world class.

Enter Enrique - and all of them are gone.

Why? - Because they don't fit how Enrique wants to play.

Haaland is a much better fit for sure for how Enrique wants to play than Mbappe/Neymar/Messi - because he has far less ego that the three I've mentioned and will do his best to play as the manager wants.

But so too Donnarumma - no ego, great at what he does - but not quite a fit for how Enrique wants to play.

Yes - Enrique for sure could accommodate Haaland - but if offered the choice between Haaland and Dembele - Enrique would choose Dembele 100%.

And so too Donnarumma - Donnarumma arguably won PSG the C/L due to his performance in goal - but he's out of the side. Wage demands are probably a factor - but so too is style - Enrique wants ball control - and Donnarumma's strength is not in this department.

Somehow you've interpreted my post as stating that Enrique wouldn't work with Haaland if he were in his side - which is not at all what I've posted.

What I've posted is that given the choice between having Haaland or Dembele in his side, Enrique would choose Dembele - because Dembele is a better fit for his style of play.
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None of Messi, Neymar or Mbappe left because Enrique decided they didn’t fit his style.

That is a pure revisionism to fit a narrative.

Neither did Donnarumma.

And if you want evidence of wages being more than ‘probably a factor’ in his case, then read Luis Campos’ interview only last week, which clearly sets out the circumstances of his departure.

They all left to access the kind of money PSG simply weren’t willing to offer anymore.

This wasn’t some purist Enrique-heralded idealism around playing style - it was about PSG moving away from being the kind of absurdist, overpaying holiday resort for Galacticos that only Madrid have ever really made work.

All the players you list left because of the money.

Mbappe leaving for Real Madrid was pretty much an annual psychodrama at PSG, with them having to continuously offer him more and more fantastical concessions to convince him to stay.

Until they had nowhere to go, and his contract finally expired - so he got his wish.

And a colossal signing on fee to boot.

Messi never settled at PSG (he was only there two seasons) and was seduced by being the face of Inter Miami.

And a wage PSG weren’t interested in paying him anymore.

Neymar…………..I mean, that guy had completely squandered his talent by the time he left, and PSG were desperate to get his eye-watering wages off the books.

None of this makes for a great analysis video, granted - where bedroom fantasists like to paint football as some sort of utopian playground for tactical boffins and hipsters to dream up the next great stylistic innovation for the game, and where club owners are enablers of these innovators, purely in it for the buzz of creating something timeless - but it happens to be true.

PSG stopped paying Galactico wages, so lost all their Galactico players.

It’s as simple as that.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
None of Messi, Neymar or Mbappe left because Enrique decided they didn’t fit his style.

That is a pure revisionism to fit a narrative.

Neither did Donnarumma.

And if you want evidence of wages being more than ‘probably a factor’ in his case, then read Luis Campos’ interview only last week, which clearly sets out the circumstances of his departure.

They all left to access the kind of money PSG simply weren’t willing to offer anymore.

This wasn’t some purist Enrique-heralded idealism around playing style - it was about PSG moving away from being the kind of absurdist, overpaying holiday resort for Galacticos that only Madrid have ever really made work.

All the players you list left because of the money.

Mbappe leaving for Real Madrid was pretty much an annual psychodrama at PSG, with them having to continuously offer him more and more fantastical concessions to convince him to stay.

Until they had nowhere to go, and his contract finally expired - so he got his wish.

And a colossal signing on fee to boot.

Messi never settled at PSG (he was only there two seasons) and was seduced by being the face of Inter Miami.

And a wage PSG weren’t interested in paying him anymore.

Neymar…………..I mean, that guy had completely squandered his talent by the time he left, and PSG were desperate to get his eye-watering wages off the books.

None of this makes for a great analysis video, granted - where bedroom fantasists like to paint football as some sort of utopian playground for tactical boffins and hipsters to dream up the next great stylistic innovation for the game, and where club owners are enablers of these innovators, purely in it for the buzz of creating something timeless - but it happens to be true.

PSG stopped paying Galactico wages, so lost all their Galactico players.

It’s as simple as that.
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Touche!

I concede your point - the narrative I've painted based on knee-jerk misremembered reaction is flawed... totally wrong.

And although not mentioned, neither Messi or Neymar were even in PSG's side when Enrique took charge... but in my zeal to rebut I didn't even verify when Messi and Neymar departed PSG versus Enrique's appointment as manager.

Were the departures of Messi and Neymar purely wages though? Or was it about results?

The Galactico approach didn't work and was costing a fortune and PSG dumped Messi and Neymar not at the manager level - but above.

Mbappe too is an interesting case - probably PSG would still have him in their side except that Mbappe demanded a move to RM.

On his way out, Enrique pleaded with Mbappe to contribute more off the ball - it's on video - to no avail - Mbappe remained his usual selfish lazy self.

Nonetheless - the point I failed to make remains - Enrique has had his say so in signings and has built the side as he wanted - and his recent success means that whatever Enrique wants is going to have huge sway.

IMO Enrique would not want Haaland instead of Dembele - which was the main point I tried to make - with failed logic - three sheets to the wind on alcohol, LOL.
 
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Marvin. said:
The Foden assist and his goal last night were top quality moments. Your point about the strength of the opposition is erroneous
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I was talking about Doku.

Its absolutely not erroneous to point out he's had two good games this season BUT one was against the 15th best team in the PL and the other was against the Italian champions, however they were playing with ten men.

Let's revisit when we've played Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc.
 
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