ID cards.

We will see how y'all feel about it if Farage and Reform get in power and want to use them for stop and search powers for illegal immigrants or cracking down on how they define crime. Or when a govn uses them to filter out those people who refuse have a 'Covid jab' and need a police visit (for example).

Then what does not having the card on you mean in future? You cant get on that plane, you cannot into the places that become access-controlled because of this thing. Or you cannot get into the Etihad because you havent also brought your photo ID (Therefore becoming a terror risk). Or what about a post 911 world where the govn and local councils were seen to have abused the anti-terror laws in surveillance of people. Or in that same world.. when we go to the shops your access card determines how many packets of toilet rolls you are allowed to buy. How about the homeless, the ones =who dont have one, are they then non citizens, would they be able to access the services they need. Its just another weapon for the governmental powers to abuse.

I also wonder how a Trump govn would use them, the one standard bit of data, standardised across America, that allows him to filter out good voters from bad voters maybe, allow them to determine who can go where, bring in access control to particular States, for certain people.

The govn have enough data to do what they need, they dont need more. Dont let them have too much power and sight over us. Mad man rant over.

Anyway is this compulsory? If not ignore everything I said.
 
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The only ones against this would be people who have a record or something to hide. It still smacks of big brother to me but what can we do to stop it.
 
city2 said:
The only ones against this would be people who have a record or something to hide. It still smacks of big brother to me but what can we do to stop it.
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You don't have to have something to hide to not want to live in a police state. Especially those that look or act different or are a different race who would undoubtedly be targeted by something like this.
 
Everybody has something to hide, including politicians, police, bankers, lawyers, the landed gentry and not forgetting all those whiter than white journalists.
 
The trouble with technology is their is always someone more knowledgeable and can bypass most technology just ask the likes of M&S , Co-op or Jaguar to name a few, we can’t guarantee 100% that this would be perfect.
 
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People are against anything being bought in, constant outrage is the new norm.
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The original and if I recall majority concern about these when Blair wanted them in was the fact they wanted a chip in them that could store information.

Don't think anyone was against a basic photo ID badge similar to. adrivers liscence or alcohol liscence but one where data could be stored without your knowledge of what said data was and also it being open to cloning just like debit cards are.

Section 50 was always cited, it is the only police rule where you have to legally reveal your data to an officer, with a chipped ID badge you are suddenly denied certain civil liberties.
 
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It’ll still take you an hour and a quarter to clear Manchester Airport with an ID card, a passport, a driving licence, a NHS number, a National Insurance No and God knows what else. Rant No.1 this morning.
 
I don't see the point. I carried one for 23 years whilst in the army and only ever needed it whilst in barracks. Since leaving I have never needed one. Why have one? It will make the gammon feel better that they have one in their pocket but pesky foreigners don't.

Oh! I see. It's so that us white people can access services but 'they' can't. How much is that going to cost us?
 
It all depends on the purpose and level of functionality. We have them over here and it makes performing all sorts of day-to-day admin tasks an absolute piece of piss, presumably massively reducing overheads and fraud in the process. However, that's in a country where all the systems are relatively new and seamlessly integrated. I'd imagine the cost of getting the UK to a similar place would be astronomical.

If they're actually useful, people will embrace them without giving it a second thought. If they're just seen as an authoritarian inconvenience, they won't.
 
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