ID cards.

BobKowalski said:
I would say both sides have already lost their respective arguments. I have a digital health passport that has my vaccine records, my mum (88) has a smart meter and a monitor which allows her to and the company to monitor energy usage in real time. We carry phones and watches which are tracking devices, I use Apple Pay for pretty much everything which effectively tracks my movements. CCTV cameras are everywhere and can be linked with facial recognition software and so on. Everything I watch online is recorded and fed into algorithms.

Both sides are tugging at the stable door with the horses already over the horizon.
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Completely agree.
 
Mastercard know what we buy
Deliveroo know what we eat
Uber know where we go
Twitter knows what we think
Facebook knows what are children look like and when thier birthdays are

I’m not sure an ID card is an invasion of privacy as society gave up privacy a long time ago

Most European countries have them and don’t seem to have a problem. I’m just not sure what the point is when I have a national insurance number, driving license and passport
 
such a different world to the last time this was proposed - the biggest red flag for me is how do a Govt make it work and at a cost that acceptable - its mostly pooling what we have already given up anyway - anyone hired a car in the UK recently? Give Enterprise your DVLA Share Driving License Code ...... or get a bus.

 
Blue Hefner said:
Mastercard know what we buy
Deliveroo know what we eat
Uber know where we go
Twitter knows what we think
Facebook knows what are children look like and when thier birthdays are

I’m not sure an ID card is an invasion of privacy as society gave up privacy a long time ago

Most European countries have them and don’t seem to have a problem. I’m just not sure what the point is when I have a national insurance number, driving license and passport
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I do wonder how many of those readying pitchforks over this have Facebook accounts. The vast majority, I'd wager.

Unsurprisingly, they won't have the bandwidth to see the irony in that.
 
paulchapo said:
ID cards will be the precursor to digital id and then everybody will be fucked. On a whim they can just turn off your whole life unless you comply with whatever the state demands. You won't be able to buy even a pint of milk as your credit card will be frozen and cash will no longer be accepted. You can't even use cash now inside the Etihad and countless other places. Lockdowns will be easier to impose as they will just ensure your id and credit cards won't work outside the exclusion zone. Easy peasy. We are sleepwalking into a dystopian nightmare. This bloke gets hammered but almost everything he has ever predicted has happened.

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I like david icke, and he's probably right on this not everything he comes out with is bonkers but are those all really his 'predictions' he seems to take every single outlandish 'conspiracy theory' someone else came up with and put them in books which he sells on one of the billionaires he probably thinks is a lizard website.More a case of throwing enough darts
 
Title needs to be changed to something along the lines of 'Compulsory Digital ID planned for all adults in the UK'.

It's far more intrusive and life affecting than a simple ID card.
 
Blue and true said:
I do wonder how many of those readying pitchforks over this have Facebook accounts. The vast majority, I'd wager.

Unsurprisingly, they won't have the bandwidth to see the irony in that.
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That's their choice to use Facebook. I'm sure a lot of them are aware of the data harvesting. With Starmer/Blairs Digital ID it's going to be compulsory which is a total different kettle of fish.
 
If this is about helping to stop illegal immigrations because Starmer can’t stop the boats despite shouting from the rooftops of how he was gonna stop it at source. Other countries have id,s and that hasn’t stopped them , as a few have said most of us have a driving licence, passport, national insurance number, income tax number so yes its big brother coming for all of us.
 
cleavers said:
My parents are in their 80's, they manage fine with the digital world.
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Fair point. My mum is 88 and orders food shopping online, same with her prescription and is always ordering on Amazon. She won’t have a smart phone but has a laptop and Fire tablet.

And she will insist that a digital ID is unacceptable intrusion of privacy and have a whinge about the good old days. And then buy a new duvet from Amazon that has all her credit card details online.
 
crooky said:
That's their choice to use Facebook. I'm sure a lot of them are aware of the data harvesting. With Starmer/Blairs Digital ID it's going to be compulsory which is a total different kettle of fish.
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That's not the point I'm making. If people are upset about this then why would they willingly divulge private information about themselves on the internet? Privacy is now uncared for by many people.

This isn't some sinister precursor to totalitarianism, it's just progression. It's obviously an attempt to stop illegal work in this country, isn't that what everyone wants? As has already been addressed, other European countries have implemented this without state overreach. The paranoia shown here will have been the same paranoia shown when the first paper IDs were introduced centuries ago.
 
BobKowalski said:
Fair point. My mum is 88 and orders food shopping online, same with her prescription and is always ordering on Amazon. She won’t have a smart phone but has a laptop and Fire tablet.

And she will insist that a digital ID is unacceptable intrusion of privacy and have a whinge about the good old days. And then buy a new duvet from Amazon that has all her credit card details online.
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Same really.

It took us years to get my mum onto WhatsApp, she's never off it these days. My dad (older) also has it, but he only switches his phone on when he has too (or is told too).

I think older people just treat it as an inconvenience/nuisance, but they will adapt, they always do.
 
urban genie said:
Starmer is such a fucking idiot, once again found something to piss off every section of society
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Everyone gets pissed off by every single thing, it’s a national pastime.

plastic bags = OUTRAGE
Congestion charge = OUTRAGE
Smoking ban in pubs = OUTRAGE
ULEZ = OUTRAGE

pile this one into the outrage bank before the next thing to get angry about in a couple weeks.

From what I can tell ID makes it significantly harder to use fake documents, overstay visas, or slip through loopholes in the employment system — and it makes employers more accountable - which will help tackle illegal migration, Farage is whipping up everyone to not back this. Suprise suprise.
 
Blue and true said:
That's not the point I'm making. If people are upset about this then why would they willingly divulge private information about themselves on the internet? Privacy is now uncared for by many people.

This isn't some sinister precursor to totalitarianism, it's just progression. It's obviously an attempt to stop illegal work in this country, isn't that what everyone wants? As has already been addressed, other European countries have implemented this without state overreach. The paranoia shown here will have been the same paranoia shown when the first paper IDs were introduced centuries ago.
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What other country has a compulsory digital ID, a restricted Internet and public facial scanning?

I don't think you realise how quickly things are changing in this country.
 
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