The Kims

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Father, son and grandson have ruled a nation for sixty years, which is actually quite remarkable in the modern age.

I’m bound to wonder if North Korea is a terrifying vision of the future for humanity.

Can anyone imagine in what way the North Korean people could ever attempt a coup? It seems inconceivable to me.

It’s a completely fuckng evil institution imo. Completely malign. And increasingly so. Fuck knows how horrible the next one will be.

Still a remarkable family though, imo. Horrible and poisonous but still remarkable.

What do others think about this dynasty?
 
I suspect it's more a vestige of the past than a prediction of the future.

If N.Korea wasn't a pariah state I guess they'd just be like Saudi, Oman, Kuwait, Brunei. UAE is a bit less of an absolute monarchy but only on the surface.

Bhutan is another absolute monarchy.
 
Need to wait for a future North Korean leader to announce the abandonment of nuclear weapons.
 
Father, son and grandson have ruled a nation for sixty years, which is actually quite remarkable in the modern age.

I’m bound to wonder if North Korea is a terrifying vision of the future for humanity.

Can anyone imagine in what way the North Korean people could ever attempt a coup? It seems inconceivable to me.

It’s a completely fuckng evil institution imo. Completely malign. And increasingly so. Fuck knows how horrible the next one will be.

Still a remarkable family though, imo. Horrible and poisonous but still remarkable.

What do others think about this dynasty?
Bar what we are spoon fed I have never looked into them enough to have arpunded opinion.

unofficial monarchy of a semi closed nation and seemingly dictatorial, bit for al lI know may be a big soft **** with his kids and bastard at work
 
Father, son and grandson have ruled a nation for sixty years, which is actually quite remarkable in the modern age.

I’m bound to wonder if North Korea is a terrifying vision of the future for humanity.

Can anyone imagine in what way the North Korean people could ever attempt a coup? It seems inconceivable to me.

It’s a completely fuckng evil institution imo. Completely malign. And increasingly so. Fuck knows how horrible the next one will be.

Still a remarkable family though, imo. Horrible and poisonous but still remarkable.

What do others think about this dynasty?
Early days, but I’d be interested to know whether this thread has headed in the direction you expected or not?
 
Early days, but I’d be interested to know whether this thread has headed in the direction you expected or not?
If I’d reflected upon it more carefully at the time, then the honest answer is yes, probably. I think the thread title probably doesn’t help and I also think you should never be too bothered about a bit off piss taking, especially on here, so it certainly doesn’t bother me. I think it would be grossly hypocritical of me if it did, and taking yourself too seriously is definitely a deadly sin in my eyes.

I do think it’s a valid point of discussion because previously, despotic regimes were always prone to be overthrown eventually. This was almost exclusively down to military defeat, military coup, or the people rising up (I’d say it’s quite rare that it comes from within the subsisting government itself).

In this instance I’m struggling to see how any of these things can happen despite the people being treated appallingly overall. I think, over time, the mechanisms for any of those things happening in NK have been subject to greater and greater control. I suspect the family has closely studied history and drawn lessons from it, as well as being aided and abetted by advances in technology.

The old adage that regimes fall slowly at first, and then very quickly may not be possible here, because the first part is never allowed to happen. The grip on information and the upper ranks of the military and politics is so tight, and so brutal, that the conversations that can ferment a revolution simply do not take place to an extent that would make that feasible. NK having nukes will also be part if the equation too.

As I said in the OP it’s a terrifying possible vision of the future for mankind, where regimes, having learned the lessons from the Nazis, Soviet Communists, Gadaffi, The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussain etc… reach a point of such control over the population, the military, the means of production and consumption and the information space that they become insuperable.

Power is a difficult thing for human beings to give up, once they’ve tasted it. This family has evolved and developed with the overarching aim of retaining power at all costs, and seemingly passing it onto the next generation, and looking at Kim Jong Un’s daughter was what provoked me to start this thread. She will already be intoxicated by the allure, trappings and possibilities of power.

In one sense the Kims are no different from the Plantagenets or many other Royal dynasties over time, but in other senses they absolutely are. So far, there has been a unity of purpose in the family from leader to leader, in contrast with the internecine disputes around the Plantagenet succession. There has been a ruthlessness towards any form of dissent or deviation from that purpose within the family which has served to protect the Kim’s succession.

Never say never, of course, but I’m honestly struggling to see how this utterly evil, power hungry and malign regime can be even rendered vulnerable, never mind overthrown - and it’s certainly an object lesson to us all about the possibilities for mankind if the democratic institutions and rights that we can take for granted are undermined.
 
North Korea exhibits a post colonial return to it,'s pre Japanese occupation Joesen systems, without interference from western societal ideal and a modern take on it's previous kingdoms of both Jeosen and Goryeo

  • Distrust of outsiders, isolationalist, colsed borders pre Chósen Koreans were forbidden to leave the country without permission
  • Dynistic monarchy with collection of appointed government officials, which is the kims in all but name.
  • Ties to chinese ifluence above other foreign powes, NK, still used Hanja and korean and claim the commandaries of the han is geographically most of NK, they do however ditch the confusionism that defines that kingdom.
  • Agritarian socity based economy and vast poverty indiference, like Joesen the system is quite fuedal where a kind of class exists between workers, the military and it's leaders.
  • Control of media, before the japanese occupation and the first korean newspaper the only information was sent out by central gocernment, this is the norm today.

What the Kim do well though is promote themselves as nutjobs and their dictatorship as a joke with outlandish statement, shows of pomp and random pointless missle strikes into the ocean, most wesrern. media about them is to laugh at them as weird rather than concerning.
 
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If I’d reflected upon it more carefully at the time, then the honest answer is yes, probably. I think the thread title probably doesn’t help and I also think you should never be too bothered about a bit off piss taking, especially on here, so it certainly doesn’t bother me. I think it would be grossly hypocritical of me if it did, and taking yourself too seriously is definitely a deadly sin in my eyes.

I do think it’s a valid point of discussion because previously, despotic regimes were always prone to be overthrown eventually. This was almost exclusively down to military defeat, military coup, or the people rising up (I’d say it’s quite rare that it comes from within the subsisting government itself).

In this instance I’m struggling to see how any of these things can happen despite the people being treated appallingly overall. I think, over time, the mechanisms for any of those things happening in NK have been subject to greater and greater control. I suspect the family has closely studied history and drawn lessons from it, as well as being aided and abetted by advances in technology.

The old adage that regimes fall slowly at first, and then very quickly may not be possible here, because the first part is never allowed to happen. The grip on information and the upper ranks of the military and politics is so tight, and so brutal, that the conversations that can ferment a revolution simply do not take place to an extent that would make that feasible. NK having nukes will also be part if the equation too.

As I said in the OP it’s a terrifying possible vision of the future for mankind, where regimes, having learned the lessons from the Nazis, Soviet Communists, Gadaffi, The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussain etc… reach a point of such control over the population, the military, the means of production and consumption and the information space that they become insuperable.

Power is a difficult thing for human beings to give up, once they’ve tasted it. This family has evolved and developed with the overarching aim of retaining power at all costs, and seemingly passing it onto the next generation, and looking at Kim Jong Un’s daughter was what provoked me to start this thread. She will already be intoxicated by the allure, trappings and possibilities of power.

In one sense the Kims are no different from the Plantagenets or many other Royal dynasties over time, but in other senses they absolutely are. So far, there has been a unity of purpose in the family from leader to leader, in contrast with the internecine disputes around the Plantagenet succession. There has been a ruthlessness towards any form of dissent or deviation from that purpose within the family which has served to protect the Kim’s succession.

Never say never, of course, but I’m honestly struggling to see how this utterly evil, power hungry and malign regime can be even rendered vulnerable, never mind overthrown - and it’s certainly an object lesson to us all about the possibilities for mankind if the democratic institutions and rights that we can take for granted are undermined.
I was expecting a yes or no? You’re not on the clock now GDM. You don’t need to justify at length why you’re billing me for an hour’s work!! ;-)

Notwithstanding there are some fantastic Kims on this thread already, and getting back on intended topic, I certainly worry a lot more for humanity now than I did before Trump’s re-election, and the USA is probably more like NK now that it was a couple of years back. If the Kims are providing a dystopian roadmap to any leaders or would be leaders on how to achieve unchecked power, I expect there are far more viable and imminent threats to how we and our descendants will live, that will likely trump (no pun intended) any slow progression to a NK styled world order.
 

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