"The Quiet Engine"...

If he played for utd and lfc he would be the best in the country. Sometimes players need the media to recognise their extreme talent. Phil will not get that level of recognition, only when they leave City do the headlines revel in their quality. True story.
 
Bigga said:
Man... I don't think a video has changed my mind before, but I have to say (even as I type in disbelief at what I'm writing), I think I've been giving Foden a hard time. Maybe cos I what to see more visceral impact now that De Bruyne's gone? I don't know.

But it's took a Yank/ Canadian to reframe my perspective.

Not quite sure if this is a 'player performance' more than a profile, so wherever it's supposed to go...

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How had you failed to realise he's a great player? That video isn't a deep dive into how he plays or what he brings to the team. It just reminds you he's won a lot and been a very good player consistently in that period. He's 25 and has scored over 100 goals in 325 games for us. You should have known all of this already.
 
supercity88 said:
How had you failed to realise he's a great player? That video isn't a deep dive into how he plays or what he brings to the team. It just reminds you he's won a lot and been a very good player consistently in that period. He's 25 and has scored over 100 goals in 325 games for us. You should have known all of this already.
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Think the point is we DO know but in bad times when we’re losing, we “forget” & certainly the media do
 
I'm glad that video changed your view Bigga, but I'll have to take a pass. Feels like AI gen slop. I know some people don't like stats but it's just such an un-analytical look at what makes Foden good, and if the point was to emphasise some sort of 'not even close' gap between him and Palmer I don't see how it did that either (And I think Foden is the better player).
 
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This is why I've always ignored the Foden/Palmer comparisons. Both had their chances at City but only Foden knuckled down, remained patient, took his chances & blossomed into the player we have today. In comparison, Palmer was underwhelming the season prior to his leaving.

Like Palmer, Foden too was competing against a squad full of generational talents, but unlike Palmer who wanted it all whilst there was better ahead of him, Phil made a gradual case for his inclusion & learned from having to play as an 8, 10, false 9, left & right winger.

Palmer's success at a struggling Chelsea side, was used by the media as a stick to beat Manchester City with. The narrative was that City regularly ditch talented young English players, to focus on spending gazillions on foreign superstars, thus ruining football & the England football team in the process.

Three things about Foden stand out for me.

1. David Silva: “I’m sure he’s going to be a fantastic player. He’s a very nice man and he will be a good replacement for me."

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David Silva backs Phil Foden to succeed him at Manchester City

David Silva is not worried about the future of Manchester City after confirming his departure after 10 years.
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2. KDB: “I’ve been with Phil for about seven years so I don’t really feel he’s a youngster anymore, he’s an established superstar in our team, he’s been here that long. He’s just amazing.”

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"He isn't a young talent anymore - he is one of the guys now. It's a big step to make but everyone looks to him to make a difference because he can."

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De Bruyne: ‘Amazing’ Foden has come of age

Kevin De Bruyne says Phil Foden is no longer considered to be a ‘young’ player within the City team – but as an integral member of the squad.
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3. Foden: "Our new players have to get used to our style of play, & what's required of them as City players."

Post ArseAnal vs City interview.

This is Foden showing his growing leadership qualities. He only knows the City way of doing things & if he looks after himself, he can still be with us at 34/35 years old.

In terms of career experience & achievements, Palmer doesn't even come close. I'll take the Foden accolades from David Silva & Kevin De Bruyne over the media hack narrative of "Palmer's the new Johan Cruyff", ten times out of ten.
 
On a broader point and not the OP video. I understand the anti American sentiment with the shit show that is their politics right now

But the American based Noisy Neighbors (sic) podcast is probably the best City podcast out there. Don’t dismiss them out of hand.

Also we’re all Blues aren’t we?
 
TheGhost said:
On a broader point and not the OP video. I understand the anti American sentiment with the shit show that is their politics right now

But the American based Noisy Neighbors (sic) podcast is probably the best City podcast out there. Don’t dismiss them out of hand.

Also we’re all Blues aren’t we?
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Tes we are all blues unless it comes to getting a ticket ;)
 
Dribble said:
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This is why I've always ignored the Foden/Palmer comparisons. Both had their chances at City but only Foden knuckled down, remained patient, took his chances & blossomed into the player we have today. In comparison, Palmer was underwhelming the season prior to his leaving.

Like Palmer, Foden too was competing against a squad full of generational talents, but unlike Palmer who wanted it all whilst there was better ahead of him, Phil made a gradual case for his inclusion & learned from having to play as an 8, 10, false 9, left & right winger.

Palmer's success at a struggling Chelsea side, was used by the media as a stick to beat Manchester City with. The narrative was that City regularly ditch talented young English players, to focus on spending gazillions on foreign superstars, thus ruining football & the England football team in the process.

Three things about Foden stand out for me.

1. David Silva: “I’m sure he’s going to be a fantastic player. He’s a very nice man and he will be a good replacement for me."



2. KDB: “I’ve been with Phil for about seven years so I don’t really feel he’s a youngster anymore, he’s an established superstar in our team, he’s been here that long. He’s just amazing.”



"He isn't a young talent anymore - he is one of the guys now. It's a big step to make but everyone looks to him to make a difference because he can."


8:34

3. Foden: "Our new players have to get used to our style of play, & what's required of them as City players."

Post ArseAnal vs City interview.

This is Foden showing his growing leadership qualities. He only knows the City way of doing things & if he looks after himself, he can still be with us at 34/35 years old.

In terms of career experience & achievements, Palmer doesn't even come close. I'll take the Foden accolades from David Silva & Kevin De Bruyne over the media hack narrative of "Palmer's the new Johan Cruyff", ten times out of ten.
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Exactly. Media were hoping so much that Palmer would be the next superstar - in order to have a go at our business - but actually he’s just a good product of our academy.
 
CC1 said:
Exactly. Media were hoping so much that Palmer would be the next superstar - in order to have a go at our business - but actually he’s just a good product of our academy.
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The loss of Palmer has changed City's attitude toward letting young players go, without the insurance of sell on & buy back clauses.

The success of Palmer & Rogers etc has also highlighted the potential of City trained EDS graduates. Hopefully this will continue to warrant a City premium for our academy products if they don't make the grade at the Etihad.

Yes, Palmer has done well since leaving City, but his status was exhalted by the media as a direct attack on our 'ruthlessness' in dispatching club trained young talent without giving them a fair chance, & our insatiable appetite for breaking football by spending unheard of amounts on buying all the world's superstars. Neither point could be further from the reality.

However, when it comes to the Dippers, ArseAnal, ManUre & the Chavs breaking the British transfer record over & over, it's fuckin crickets from the media, pundits & the football governing bodies! The bastards make me wanna vomit!
 
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Dribble said:
The loss of Palmer has changed City's attitude toward letting young players go, without the insurance of sell on & buy back clauses.

The success of Palmer & Rogers etc has also highlighted the potential of City trained EDS graduates. Hopefully this will continue to warrant a City premium for our academy products if they don't make the grade at the Etihad.

Yes, Palmer has done well since leaving City, but his status was exhalted by the media as a direct attack on our 'ruthlessness' in dispatching club trained young talent without giving them a fair chance, & our insatiable appetite for breaking football by spending unheard of amounts on buying all the world's superstars. Neither point could be further from the reality.

However, when it comes to the Dippers, ArseAnal, ManUre & the Chavs breaking the British transfer record over & over, it's fuckin crickets from the media, pundits & the football governing bodies! The bastards make me wanna vomit!
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True. From what I read, he wasn’t sold because we wanted him to go. Pep wanted him to stay & work for his place like Phil which meant he wouldn’t be playing regularly. But he wanted to play every game so asked to go on loan. We said stay - or go - but not on loan.
His choice
 
CC1 said:
True. From what I read, he wasn’t sold because we wanted him to go. Pep wanted him to stay & work for his place like Phil which meant he wouldn’t be playing regularly. But he wanted to play every game so asked to go on loan. We said stay - or go - but not on loan.
His choice
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Yup, 100%. I'm glad it worked out for the guy, but Chelsea finished mid-table at the end of his stellar season, whilst City won their 4th PL title on the trot.

When tasked with playing in a complex system, Palmer struggled much like Grealish. But when given the freedom to roam where they both feel most effective, they excel.

That's great when dominating games, but these types of players quickly become luxury items when faced with highly organised top level opposition.

I wish Palmer all the best. I'm gutted he didn't remain, but he had self confidence in his abilty to succeed & wanted regular first team football to prove it. Something City couldn't offer on a regular basis unless like Foden, he earned it.

Palmer had a stellar first season at Chelsea, with last season being less so. Conversely, Foden had one poor season out of six, with the other five being littered with titles, trophies & personal accolades, including PFA & City player of the year awards.

Palmer will have to go some to achieve the same by age 30.
 
Blue2112 said:
Does anyone know where I can get some of that Jack gRelish, im doing some burgers later this week and wouldn't mind trying it out on top with a bit of cheese.
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I’ve got a mate who pronounces it Graylish… as in bREAk or gREAt. So irritating!
 
supercity88 said:
How had you failed to realise he's a great player? That video isn't a deep dive into how he plays or what he brings to the team. It just reminds you he's won a lot and been a very good player consistently in that period. He's 25 and has scored over 100 goals in 325 games for us. You should have known all of this already.
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I explained already why he was overlooked to my mind. Consistency doesn't make a great player, but he was consistently in the team. Playing a good pass or two doesn't make a great player, but he has that in his locker.

He's not a showy player, he doesn't grip the game on a regular basis, and it's not as if he's a player we can't win a game without, but he's an important cog in the wheel.

Too many City fans call players "legends" for a minimum involvement in important seasons; so how are we to differentiate who is important and who is not?

The narrator called him a "quiet engine" and that's a perfect description enough in my eyes.
 
adrianr said:
I'm glad that video changed your view Bigga, but I'll have to take a pass. Feels like AI gen slop. I know some people don't like stats but it's just such an un-analytical look at what makes Foden good, and if the point was to emphasise some sort of 'not even close' gap between him and Palmer I don't see how it did that either (And I think Foden is the better player).
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Well, that's fine from your point of view and I agree it wasn't overdone deep dive into Foden analysis. Perhaps shining a light on moments my eyes may have been elsewhere, looking more expansively over the pitch. I don't know.

I've seen him play since he stepped foot on our Hallowed Turf, but it took something simple to switch my light on.
 
Bigga said:
I explained already why he was overlooked to my mind. Consistency doesn't make a great player, but he was consistently in the team. Playing a good pass or two doesn't make a great player, but he has that in his locker.

He's not a showy player, he doesn't grip the game on a regular basis, and it's not as if he's a player we can't win a game without, but he's an important cog in the wheel.

Too many City fans call players "legends" for a minimum involvement in important seasons; so how are we to differentiate who is important and who is not?

The narrator called him a "quiet engine" and that's a perfect description enough in my eyes.
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Have you been in a coma? I could understand why someone would write this back in 2017/18 when he was first emerging. But the lads played 325 games and scored more than 100 goals for us. He was the critical player when we won 4 in a row, with quite a few highlights. 27 goals in 53 games in case you missed them.

I've included a few awards below if you're still unsure.

 
The season we've last won the league even our media were singing phils praises. Admittedly last season the noise was louder about phils poor performances.
What doesn't help his he's a different player in a England shirt. CTID
 
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