Crumpsall Synagogue Attack - two people confirmed dead, one inadvertently shot by police along with the suspect

Fair enough. This is an emotive thread, from which I’m bailing as it’s drastically derailed from what it should be.

Agreed, it's emotive and what I said is not an attack on you, I hope you know.

I just think though, as adults, you have to control that and win the battle with a convincing discussion. I've gone away and reflected on my losses as nobody can think of all angles.

Emotion wins and solves nothing, changing nobody's mind. I've learned that through being drawn in from the illogical and unjustified targeting from emotive posters.
 
If it was you who told the copper on here to fuck off snd called him a pig, yes. Not sure it was you though.
 
Historically, the Christian church was very hostile. (Though there were individual bishops who protected Jews.) In England, they were seen as the King's cattle, so to speak. Under royal protection but fleeced whenever he felt like it. (Medieval kings always needed a few quid.) They were only allowed to lend money (almost every other trade was closed to them) and a lot of their clients were powerful men who found a dead creditor rather convenient.

That's the simple tale. I won't go into how the saintly Queen Eleanor of Castile used to get hold of Jewish debt by various means so she could foreclose and steal people's lands. She and her mother-in-law both detested Jews. King Edward I, under financial pressure, agreed to throw all Jews out of the country in return for a subsidy - that is, a grant of taxation. This was carried out in 1290, though not before Edward had rounded up much of the male Jewish population, accused them of coining, and had them strung up. Those who survived were often robbed by the sailors who took them out of the country. This included some being dumped on sandbanks in the middle of the sea and left to drown.

It's a shame that when studying history, most 'patriots' prefer to focus on Agincourt and other 'glorious' victories.
 
But you must agree questions have to be asked, 2 people shot by the police...
In a situation none of us can fathom.

I’m out of this thread now. Plenty of posters i respect and in replying to things that are coming across from posts I’m not replying to directly.

The end of the day, this is a horrific incident and there is only one person to blame. Thankfully he was nullified.

Peace.
 

Synagogue attacker 'may have been influenced by extreme Islamist ideology,' police say​


A composite image showing both synagogue attack victims

May have been? This from the BBC. Words fail me.
Let me get this straight…the BBC think someone with the first name ‘jihad’ May be influenced by extreme islamist views ?
 
But you must agree questions have to be asked, 2 people shot by the police...

I think your questions are fair to speculate and ask questions as it seemed an uncontrolled measure of action.

Let's just wait to see what happens as there are witnesses and the police can't possibly make things up.
 
I noticed on the coverage of the vigil some of those who turned up did so in their T shirts emblazoned with the Union Jack. They really cannot help themselves
 
No obviously, but for a family to choose that name even pre 9/11 was a bit odd. So I would say he was likely born into Islamist ideology to some extent.
I've no idea on that, just pointing it out.

According to what I've read, it's a common name in the Arabic world, and has even been used as a name by christians, though it's useage in the US, and UK is rare, but we know he was born in Syria.
 
People join the police, nobody forces them and when it goes tits up questions need to be asked ? Agree ?
Absolutely, but you go out of your way to criticise the police. Every word of your posts are calling them. The police didn’t shoot them no need to use that phrase, this is a case of over penetration. , maybe look it up.
 
Absolutely, but you go out of your way to criticise the police. Every word of your posts are calling them. The police didn’t shoot them no need to use that phrase, this is a case of over penetration. , maybe look it up.
Bit OTT, the family have every right to question what went wrong, someone died ffs.
 

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