What has the UK become under the far right influence?

[Gone for a Burton]

If they are illegal, how are they bleeding our benefits system, which is what you said?

Do you live under a stone ?
Mid channel recovery by the border force or Royal lifeboats.
Escorted bussing to clearance centres.
Accommodation in secure properties including 4 star hotels.
Food & drink.
Weekly financial allowances.
Telephone?

If these are not seen to be benefits funded by tax payers, try withdrawing them all and witness the outcry !!

Cop your self on pal.

 

[meltonblue]

Do you live under a stone ?
Mid channel recovery by the border force or Royal lifeboats.
Escorted bussing to clearance centres.
Accommodation in secure properties including 4 star hotels.
Food & drink.
Weekly financial allowances.
Telephone?

If these are not seen to be benefits funded by tax payers, try withdrawing them all and witness the outcry !!

Cop your self on pal.

Right so you’re specifically talking about those currently in asylum? As originally you said hundreds of thousands of them bleeding the benefits system dry. That isn’t part of the benefits system. It is also neither hundreds of thousands of them and given the current approval rate, around half aren’t illegal.

 

[meltonblue]

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/home-office-budgeting-and-asylum-overspends#:~:text=In%20Ms%20Reeves's%20public%20spending,billion%20top%2Dup%20mentioned%20above.

In Ms Reeves’s public spending audit, published last month, the Treasury warned that additional spending pressures for asylum and illegal migration amounted to £6.4 billion this year.

They are costing us £Billions. No amount of pretending otherwise will change that fact.

He didn’t say asylum though, he said the benefits system, that’s why I was queurying it!

What our asylum processes cost is a different argument to “hundreds of thousands of other Illegal immigrants are bleeding our benefits system”

 

[blueinsa]

He didn’t say asylum though, he said the benefits system, that’s why I was queurying it!

Over 1 million claiming UC that where not born in the UK as of last report.

The strain being placed on our infrastructure and finances by what is now almost uncontrolled numbers coming in has to stop.

UK population is expected to be around 72.5 million by 2032 with immigration the primary growth. Up from the 69.6 million we are at now.

Where do they live? Work? Go to school? Go when sick? Who is going to pay for it all if it’s even possible to build so much infrastructure in such a short space of time?

 

[meltonblue]

Over 1 million claiming UC that where not born in the UK as of last report.

The strain being placed on our infrastructure and finances by what is now almost uncontrolled numbers coming in has to stop.

UK population is expected to be around 72.5 million by 2032 with immigration the primary growth. Up from the 69.6 million we are at now.

Where do they live? Work? Go to school? Go when sick? Who is going to pay for it all if it’s even possible to build so much infrastructure in such a short space of time?

Right but that’s legal migration so a different argument again!

Not are the majority of those the types of people he’s seemingly concerned about.

 

[blueinsa]

Right but that’s legal migration so a different argument again!

So with illegal immigration we will be more than the 72.5 million then and they can’t work and I’ve already given you costs as of now that illegal immigration is costing the treasury so what will it cost by 2032?

If you can answer my points I’m happy to change my mind tbh but I don’t think you or anyone can really?

 

[meltonblue]

So with illegal immigration we will be more than the 72.5 million then and they can’t work and I’ve already given you costs as of now that illegal immigration is costing the treasury so what will it cost by 2032?

If you can answer my points I’m happy to change my mind tbh but I don’t think you or anyone can really?

Sorry mate, I don’t know what points you want answers for? Are you coming from the perspective that anyone going through the asylum process is an illegal immigrant?

The link you gave yourself showed a reduction in cost for that.

 

[blueinsa]

Sorry mate, I don’t know what points you want answers for? Are you coming from the perspective that anyone going through the asylum process is an illegal immigrant?

I’m coming from the point that the currant rate of growth of population in this country, regardless of how it comes about (even though immigration both legal and illegal) are by far the biggest drivers is simply unsustainable and affordable.

 

[abu13]

I’m coming from the point that the currant rate of growth of population in this country, regardless of how it comes about (even though immigration both legal and illegal) are by far the biggest drivers is simply unsustainable and affordable.

And nobody ever factors in the huge impact that AI will have on the workforce over the next 10 years, fewer jobs means less tax, means less Government revenue and more people to provide for.

 

[i kne albert davy]

They aren't - unless you think all UK poor and homeless should be made to live 5 to a room in a former hotel, get bare minimum food and get £9.95pw to live on.

Where's £9.95 a week come from ?

 

[meltonblue]

I’m coming from the point that the currant rate of growth of population in this country, regardless of how it comes about (even though immigration both legal and illegal) are by far the biggest drivers is simply unsustainable and affordable.

Ah got you. It’s already reducing after the spikes under Johnson post covid though hasn’t it?

It becomes unsustainable or unaffordable if it’s not matched by growth of the economy, which also becomes a lot harder when you reduce the population. That’s why Musk is always banging on about people needing to have more children. The issue we’ll have is the changing age demographic too.

I don’t think the asylum process is unaffordable or will become so, it’s expected to reduce significantly. Obesity costs the economy £120 billion, doesn’t mean I would vote for Joe Wicks as pm ;)

 

[Gone for a Burton]

For what it's worth my stance on this is:

Legal migration into the UK of people who will abide by our laws and contribute in a positive way to our society should be welcomed.
But there is no way people coming into the country should be given preferencial treatment to existing British people, we have huge issues ourselves and the Governments primary duty is to it's own citizens.

Quotas of immigrants who have the skills required, means of support, places to live and sign up to conditional visas should be considered.

Illegal immigrants should be deported, at their own expense, to make room for legitimate contributors !!

 

[blueinsa]

Ah got you. It’s already reducing after the spikes under Johnson post covid though hasn’t it?

It becomes unsustainable or unaffordable if it’s not matched by growth of the economy, which also becomes a lot harder when you reduce the population. That’s why Musk is always banging on about people needing to have more children. The issue we’ll have is the changing age demographic too.

I don’t think the asylum process is unaffordable or will become so, it’s expected to reduce significantly. Obesity costs the economy £120 billion, doesn’t mean I would vote for Joe Wicks as pm ;)

I’m happy to take a look at any figures showing costs are expected to reduce significantly as I can’t see any?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Where's £9.95 a week come from ?

look it up - I did

 

[meltonblue]

I’m happy to take a look at any figures showing costs are expected to reduce significantly as I can’t see any?

It was on the link you posted earlier -

In Ms Reeves’s public spending audit, published last month, the Treasury warned that additional spending pressures for asylum and illegal migration amounted to £6.4 billion this year. We understand this figure to also include the £1.5 billion top-up mentioned above. The new government plans to make an immediate saving of £800 million in 2024–25 from ending the Rwanda migration deal and removing the retrospection of the Illegal Migration Act. That leaves a ‘net’ outstanding asylum pressure of £4.1 billion (£6.4 billion less £1.5 billion less £800 million) for the remainder of the year. Combined with the planned surplus of £240 million asylum, border, visa and passport operations, this points to eventual spending in this category of a little less than £4 billion in 2024–25 (as shown in Figure 1), with considerable uncertainty around this number.

Personally I don’t expect them to achieve that this year but I’d be amazed if it didn’t go down considerably over the next two years, given how badly it was being run previously and the size and length of the backlog.

 

[i kne albert davy]

look it up - I did

That's only when they are receiving full board and lodging, if that's paid for by well wishers of the illegal migration then all well and good if not then they're a drain on the hard pressed tax paying workers in this country. if we're not careful there's going to be a huge swing to the right in this country as people are getting mightily pissed off with un secured borders hence Reform riding high in the polls.

 

[blueinsa]

They aren't - unless you think all UK poor and homeless should be made to live 5 to a room in a former hotel, get bare minimum food and get £9.95pw to live on.

They are given full board accommodation.

That doesn’t equate to bare minimum food and is the complete opposite of what they have often come from in say France.

How many illegal immigrants do you see sleeping rough and begging alongside the hundreds of thousands officially declared as homeless by charities like shelter?

Homelessness facts and stats: The damning numbers you need to know

Experts worry about a looming crisis of homelessness. These are the rough sleeping figures and homelessness facts you need to know.

www.bigissue.com

Take a read of the cold hard facts.

 

[blueinsa]

It was on the link you posted earlier -

In Ms Reeves’s public spending audit, published last month, the Treasury warned that additional spending pressures for asylum and illegal migration amounted to £6.4 billion this year. We understand this figure to also include the £1.5 billion top-up mentioned above. The new government plans to make an immediate saving of £800 million in 2024–25 from ending the Rwanda migration deal and removing the retrospection of the Illegal Migration Act. That leaves a ‘net’ outstanding asylum pressure of £4.1 billion (£6.4 billion less £1.5 billion less £800 million) for the remainder of the year. Combined with the planned surplus of £240 million asylum, border, visa and passport operations, this points to eventual spending in this category of a little less than £4 billion in 2024–25 (as shown in Figure 1), with considerable uncertainty around this number.

Personally I don’t expect them to achieve that this year but I’d be amazed if it didn’t go down considerably over the next two years, given how badly it was being run previously and the size and length of the backlog.

With a rise in population circa 2.5 million over the next 5/7 years is by utterly amazed if that number comes down.

I expect it to keep on rising.

 

[meltonblue]

With a rise in population circa 2.5 million over the next 5/7 years is by utterly amazed if that number comes down.

I expect it to keep on rising.

Why? If asylum seeker numbers grow proportionality based on legal migration which is what that number is primarily based on, it should still significantly reduce in cost given just how badly and inefficiently we’ve been running it for the past few years. We spend significantly more per applicant than any other country. The backlog and time to process are already significantly lower than at peak.

That and I doubt the numbers will increase proportionally.

The issue Labour have got is I don’t think it matters that much if they improve the economic situation around it though, it’s bigger than that now.

 

[blueinsa]

Why? If asylum seeker numbers grow proportionality based on legal migration which is what that number is primarily based on, it should still significantly reduce in cost given just how badly and inefficient we’ve been running it for the past few years. We spend significantly more per applicant than any other country. The backlog and time to process are already significantly lower than at peak.

That and I doubt the numbers will increase proportionally.

The issue Labour have got is I don’t think it matters that much if they improve the economic situation around it though, it’s bigger than that now.

In 2010/11 it was £538m

Last year it was £6.4 Billion.

I’m fairly confident in the trajectory and travel, costs will continue to take given the numbers involved coming into the UK.