Palestine Action

blueinsa said:
Agree.

March, campaign for an end to the war and a realisation of a 2 state solution.

The issues comes with support for organisations and movements are clearly anti Zionist and everything that goes with being that.

In what way does being arrested for publicly supporting PA help anyone? PA started before the October attacks and war I should add so it’s not a reaction to what has happened since that day. The BDS started in 2005 and they are open in their opposition to the right to exist for an Israel state.

The war should end immediately. A 2 state solution found but let’s not pretend that those behind certain organisations are appeased by that and suddenly go away because they don’t.

They only want one thing in the same way the worst in the Israeli government want it.
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Anyone who wants a one state solution (of either persuasion) is either a genocidal maniac or in cloud cuckoo land.
 
Manc Born & Bred said:
Are you talking about Russia. Of course not, no Jews, no news. What are you all going to moan about when this war is over and the terror group that is Hamas is no longer capable of destroying the lives of so many including their own.Will you match for the Nigerian Christians who are being slaughtered or maybe the Sudanese? Or will you focus on the Congo or the Uyghurs? Or is it just the 15 - 16m worldwide population of Jews that you hate?

Never in the field of human conflict have so few been hated by so many.
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What a strange post. No, I'm not talking about Russia. Because, and it may have escaped your attention, this is the Palestine Action thread. But you'll be pleased to hear that I've condemned Putin on numerous occasions in the past for his illegal invasion, and I would happily see both he and Netanyahu burn on a pyre. The Israeli Palestine conflict garners more media attention worldwide, and has done for generations, than pretty much any other conflict, so the attention it receives from protests and activism is commensurate. It's also worth remembering that they are being aided and abetted by some Western powers, which not unsurprisingly generates a lot of anger, anger which is then reflected in large scale protests. It's a pretty simple formula.

And your anti-Semitism jibe just isn't going to cut it. It's hollow, baseless, and is the go-to refrain for a few gutless pricks on here who can't bear to admit that the reason they are blissfully ignorant to the genocide is because it is Muslims that are being slaughtered. Nothing more.

I want Hamas eradicted. Likewise, Hezbollah. They're murderous animals who should be put down. Does that make me an Islamophobe? I'll help you out, it doesn't. I want Likud and a fair few members of the IDF to be eradicated. Why? Because they're murderous animals; I'm not going to shy away from the truth, and not offer my praise to the people protesting, because they're murderous cunts who happen to be Jewish. So, kindly take your pathetic anti-Semitism refrain, and launch it up your ignorant arse.
 
blueinsa said:
A noble cause but far too many do it from a position of anti Zionism.

I’m afraid that shows them up for what they truly are and about.

The Israeli government led by Netanyahu has behaved appallingly and no doubt broken many international laws, including committing war crimes and they should be dealt with accordingly although I wouldn’t hold my breath on that as it’s not how the world and political elites work, especially with the backing they have.

Are all Israelis and Jews who I’ve little doubt are probably all zionists at heart given its meaning to blame or should be constantly bombarded with the anti Zionism card because of the behaviour of their government?

No is the answer. If you think the answer is yes that’s fine but those doing so should at least be big enough to accept exactly what it is they want and are saying.
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Only someone with no knowledge of the history of Zionism could think that all Jews are Zionists.
 
Manchester33 said:
I think it’s possible to be sad about both the terrorist attack on Thursday as well as the ongoing genocide in Palestine. Protesting against genocide does not mean supporting antisemitism or terrorism (quite the opposite in fact).

If there was a genocide happening against Jews, the same people would be in the streets demanding it stops.

Just because Israel is a Jewish majority state should not mean we can’t protest against them without being labelled antisemitic. It’s a lazy argument.
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It's a lazy argument used by Israel to try and deflect criticism.
 
Ric said:
Not sure it is tbh. The NYT are reporting it as real.

www.nytimes.com

Pep Guardiola voices support for pro-Gazan demonstration in Barcelona: ‘We are witnessing a live genocide’

This is not the first time Guardiola has shared his views on the conflict as he said in June: "It's so painful what we see in Gaza."
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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There's definitely a weird moment at about 14 seconds. It's also strange that he's got a big smile in the second half of the video while the first half is serious.
 
The blue phantom said:
Netanyahu and his cabinet have stated multiple times there will never ever be a Two State solution. That's why all these protest will carry on.and the BDS movement.
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Netanyahu and his cabinet are temporary though. There may not be a two state solution under his reign, or even in his lifetime, but it will happen, eventually.
 
All politics has become an ill conceived. knee jerk reaction to problems of their own making that they cannot now control. Protests occur all the time in and around Whitehall. Policing the area will be like a machine. Assembling, mustering and then dealing with those arrested is well practised in the location. The idea that moving a protest from Whitehall this week to Croydon next week to Luton the week after and so on will improve the situation is beyond me. Getting the Police in, deploying them, controlling the area and Policing counter protests means the tried and tested plans go out of the window and promise uncertainty and chaos week after week. Utter madness.

www.bbc.co.uk

Police to get broader powers to crack down on repeated protests

Officers will be able to tell organisers to move demonstrations if protests have caused "repeated disorder".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
The blue phantom said:
It won't. Neither will the removal of all the Settlers on the land theve stolen.
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Yep. As Gantz confirmed the other week, opposition to Palestinian statehood is a national consensus.
Always has been. Oslo, for the Israelis, was about ridding themselves of the headache of direct occupation of the major population centres following the first intifada.

 

I'm With Stupid said:
There's definitely a weird moment at about 14 seconds. It's also strange that he's got a big smile in the second half of the video while the first half is serious.
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I deleted Peps post yesterday because I was told it was AI
Pep’s daughter also tweeted on X
 
I feel that while these Palastine marches are gaining traction with regard to the numbers attending, it pales into insignificance to the numbers if people seeing this played out on our streets in the UK. I defend their right to protest but honestley believe they are actually doing themselves more harm than good. The people of the UK are worried about the state of our country and the rise of extremism. The protesting of a middle eastern conflict in our city centres every weekend is only adding fuel to the fire.

Again, just my feelings and i feel for anyone who has lost loved ones during this conflict, but public opinion is turning against these marches.
 


Pep Guardiola’s daughter Maria who studies Humanitarianism, aid and conflict resolution at a Palestine concert in London. How does one determine AI ? Pep is obviously a throughly nice man why wouldn’t he comment on a demonstration in his own home country
 
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