Anthony Taylor (of Altrincham)

Whatever he says is just his view, and the incident with Mourinho was an utter disgrace and badly handled by UEFA.

What is inescapable though is:
  • Refereeing standards are poor.
  • Decisions from match to match are not consistent
  • VAR is utterly garbage and should not be in the hands of PGMOL
 
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In Derby games given rags about 6-7 penalties and us ,struggling to add it up,it's 0,well known for his love of the rags
See, fans don’t help themselves^ He’s awarded the Rags 4 penalties in derbies, not 6-7.

Of these 4 penalties, which of them do you think he shouldn’t have awarded?

5.14 here:


0.11 here:


0.12 here:


2.14 here:


…they all look like definite penalties to me.

And what incidents do you think he didn’t give us a penalty where he should have?

It’s alright putting the numbers up saying it’s 6-7 to none (even though it’s 4), but you have to look at the detail of them. It’s not like he’s run around dishing them out willy nilly for them and not giving us 6-7 that he should have. It’s just a coïniccdence of circumstance in the five derbies he’s ref’d that he’s given them 4 pens he should have and us none because we haven’t had any he should have given.
 
I agree largely with @.db.'s comments above. Taylor is a good referee. I agree with lots of what he says. I would like to hear referee opinions about certain decisions at the time of them being made (Chelsea game), but we aren't allowed to question referees like that at the moment. At best, we get PGMOL making ridiculous excuses for their significant errors (Rashford not interfering).

This was interesting at the end: "The whole focus is trying to make sure that we get to have two refereeing teams at the World Cup next year in America."

Focus on refereeing games correctly, avoid controversy, and the rest will fall into place.

So we have high expectations of VAR. I think our expectations were based on how the authorities sold it to us. Instead, we see it as a tool for favouring certain clubs.

Mourinho should have had a much harsher penalty.

I totally agree about the situation in grass roots football. I've been there and been subject to that abuse myself, including threats of violence against me. The lack of respect there filters down from the professional game, and the authorities have to take a large portion of responsibility for this for their reluctance to clamp down on disrespecting of referees. Referees need to look at themselves. The top referees talk about game management. This is just a byword for relaxed standards. Clamp down on dissent with proper sanctions - yellow cards in all cases, red cards for all repeat offences. This is how this dreadful blight on our game should be tackled, and give referees the respect they deserve, as in rugby.
 
See, fans don’t help themselves^ He’s awarded the Rags 4 penalties in derbies, not 6-7.

Of these 4 penalties, which of them do you think he shouldn’t have awarded?

5.14 here:


0.11 here:


0.12 here:


2.14 here:


…they all look like definite penalties to me.

And what incidents do you think he didn’t give us a penalty where he should have?

It’s alright putting the numbers up saying it’s 6-7 to none (even though it’s 4), but you have to look at the detail of them. It’s not like he’s run around dishing them out willy nilly for them and not giving us 6-7 that he should have. It’s just a coïniccdence of circumstance in the five derbies he’s ref’d that he’s given them 4 pens he should have and us none because we haven’t had any he should have given.

Can't see all the links, did he give them the pen in the 6-3? That was never a pen for me, despite battering them that still annoyed me. No issues with any of the others, all pens. The ref in the 3-2 to united game when we should have won the league was far more corrupt than Alty ever has been.
 
He is the best of an average bunch.
His red background is always a concern when he dies our games, however I don't see him particularly biased against us
So why is it a concern if he's not overtly biased against us?
 
Can't see all the links, did he give them the pen in the 6-3? That was never a pen for me, despite battering them that still annoyed me. No issues with any of the others, all pens. The ref in the 3-2 to united game when we should have won the league was far more corrupt than Alty ever has been.
Oliver in the 6-3. Never a pen. Think he was feeling sorry for them.
 
So the top referees, who are paid well current day are shit because of grassroot issues? Sound
Yes, because it’s a deep rooted culture across the sport at all levels going back decades.

It’s that culture that turns away potential referees from the sport from a young age (to become a PL referee you will likely have to have been refereeing from the age of about 14). When more refs turn away from the sport, there are fewer to select from to make it at the top level, and therefore the talent pool of referees is smaller.

Doesn’t matter how much they’re paid. It’s about retaining numbers by creating a better culture conducive to helping more referees become better referees.

It’s the same in any walk of life - the more people you force to walk away from a profession at a younger age or lower level, the fewer in number you’ll see of top quality at the top level.
 
Can't see all the links, did he give them the pen in the 6-3? That was never a pen for me, despite battering them that still annoyed me. No issues with any of the others, all pens. The ref in the 3-2 to united game when we should have won the league was far more corrupt than Alty ever has been.
That was Michael Oliver in the 6-3, and Martin Atkinson in the 2-3.
 
He's our best referee. Of course he has made some shit decisions, but I don't think that is out of bias.

He shouldn't be anywhere near the Manchester Derby for his own sake living in or around the city. It's just unnecessary noise and pressure as he goes about general daily tasks like the school run. No need for it other than that the other referees are nowhere near his level.
 
I find the amount of posts saying “we shouldnt abuse referees …. But some decisions are currupt! Refs are shit etc etc” uncomfortable.

My daughters u14 game was abandoned after 35 mins last saturday, due to the storm. It was becoming dangerous, a girl broke her leg and 2 others had to go off.
The score was 2-2.
The opposition coaches, parents and players then surrounded the 16 year old ref, shouting at him, demanding the 3 points. The ref had to be escorted to the club house whilst he phoned his mum.

Disgraceful right?

But it has to start at the top. If top level football showed an immediate red card to any player/coach even so much as shouted at a referee then it would soon filter down.
If youth teams werent even allowed to soeak to the referee unless spoken to, like rugby, then the respect would follow

Football is fuckin poisoness when it comes to referee treatment and half the comments on here almost facilitate that abuse with “buts” all over the show
 
Whatever he says is just his view, and the incidend with Mourinho was an utter disgrace and badly handled by UEFA.

What is inescapable though is:
  • Refereeing standards are poor.
  • Decisions from match to match are not consistent
  • VAR is utterly garbage and should not be in the hands of PGMOL
Historically he has had some very poor games against us, but more recently I would say he has been above the PGMOL average. Perhaps the other referees have just got worse or perhaps I’m just damming with faint praise.
 
I agree largely with @.db.'s comments above. Taylor is a good referee. I agree with lots of what he says. I would like to hear referee opinions about certain decisions at the time of them being made (Chelsea game), but we aren't allowed to question referees like that at the moment. At best, we get PGMOL making ridiculous excuses for their significant errors (Rashford not interfering).

This was interesting at the end: "The whole focus is trying to make sure that we get to have two refereeing teams at the World Cup next year in America."

Focus on refereeing games correctly, avoid controversy, and the rest will fall into place.

So we have high expectations of VAR. I think our expectations were based on how the authorities sold it to us. Instead, we see it as a tool for favouring certain clubs.

Mourinho should have had a much harsher penalty.

I totally agree about the situation in grass roots football. I've been there and been subject to that abuse myself, including threats of violence against me. The lack of respect there filters down from the professional game, and the authorities have to take a large portion of responsibility for this for their reluctance to clamp down on disrespecting of referees. Referees need to look at themselves. The top referees talk about game management. This is just a byword for relaxed standards. Clamp down on dissent with proper sanctions - yellow cards in all cases, red cards for all repeat offences. This is how this dreadful blight on our game should be tackled, and give referees the respect they deserve, as in rugby.
I do agree, referees should apply the Laws all the time more for all the little things they let go: dissent, moving the ball off the mark for a free kick, one leg in their air at throw-ins, wasting time from the first minute of the game…

But that’s exactly what Taylor did with Mourinho and Roma in that Europa League final, and he was confronted in the car park by Mourinho after the game and had a crowd of Roma fans wanting to take his head off at the airport on his way home. So, by doing the right thing in applying the Laws that night, it saw him attacked.

Look at Arteta and Arsenal fans after the referee correctly gave Rice a second booking for being a petulant ****, kicking the ball away, against Brighton.The ref was subject to a barrage of abuse from all corners of anyone associated with Arsenal.

Overall though, with a better culture from top to bottom to create a better talent pool of refs, we’d see better referee’d games and more correct decisions by better people running the referee organisations and the sport would be better all round.
 
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Webb hasn't got the balls Midgely had.

Instruct the refs to book anyone that abused them on the pitch. It would force games to be abandoned until players and coaches accepted it.

Of course Sky/TNT would kick off about it "damaging the product".

Their influence over the game doesn't help. How many decision are made for TV?

Twattenberg admitted that was in his mind when he reffed games. Who's to say others aren't trained or think the same?
 
He's our best referee. Of course he has made some shit decisions, but I don't think that is out of bias.

He shouldn't be anywhere near the Manchester Derby for his own sake living in or around the city. It's just unnecessary noise and pressure as he goes about general daily tasks like the school run. No need for it other than that the other referees are nowhere near his level.
I’m aleays pleased when Taylor gets given the derby because I always feel that he’s been the best referee we see in them.
 
Webb hasn't got the balls Midgely had.

Instruct the refs to book anyone that abused them on the pitch. It would force games to be abandoned until players and coaches accepted it.

Of course Sky/TNT would kick off about it "damaging the product".

Their influence over the game doesn't help. How many decision are made for TV?

Twattenberg admitted that was in his mind when he reffed games. Who's to say others aren't trained or think the same?
Since Webb became the head of PIGMOL in 2022, I feel like the standard of refereeing and especially in getting VAR decisions right and the amount of times VAR gets involved when it’s supposed to be for ‘Clear & Obvious’ (which this topic today isn’t about, granted) has dropped in quality.
 
Heres the thing about refs, its easy for us to say they are shit, biased, etc, but there aren't many (any?) of us that can really comment having never done what they do.

One fella in the middle of a field, dealing with 22 (mostly) cunts plus cunty managers and staff (think Klopp) plus cunty fans. I wouldn't want to walk a mile in their shoes, fuck that.

VAR has done them no favours either although it was supposed to have.
 
See, fans don’t help themselves^ He’s awarded the Rags 4 penalties in derbies, not 6-7.

Of these 4 penalties, which of them do you think he shouldn’t have awarded?

5.14 here:


0.11 here:


0.12 here:


2.14 here:


…they all look like definite penalties to me.

And what incidents do you think he didn’t give us a penalty where he should have?

It’s alright putting the numbers up saying it’s 6-7 to none (even though it’s 4), but you have to look at the detail of them. It’s not like he’s run around dishing them out willy nilly for them and not giving us 6-7 that he should have. It’s just a coïniccdence of circumstance in the five derbies he’s ref’d that he’s given them 4 pens he should have and us none because we haven’t had any he should have given

Rag!
 
Webb hasn't got the balls Midgely had.

Instruct the refs to book anyone that abused them on the pitch. It would force games to be abandoned until players and coaches accepted it.

Of course Sky/TNT would kick off about it "damaging the product".

Their influence over the game doesn't help. How many decision are made for TV?

Twattenberg admitted that was in his mind when he reffed games. Who's to say others aren't trained or think the same?
I wouldn't believe a word that Clown Clattenburg says.
He is an egotistical, attention-seeking buffoon.
Cannot remember the exact sequence of events, but he mysteriously disappeared from being one of Uefa's highest rated referees...
 

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