Anthony Taylor (of Altrincham)

Since Webb became the head of PIGMOL in 2022, I feel like the standard of refereeing and especially in getting VAR decisions right and the amount of times VAR gets involved when it’s supposed to be for ‘Clear & Obvious’ (which this topic today isn’t about, granted) has dropped in quality.
Twattenberg claimed in an interview last week Webb "has his own agenda" as head of PiGMOL. Anyone who used to work for SYP and had regular dinner dates with GPC shouldn't be head of the organisation. Also his wife does the same for the WSL.

Back on topic.

I think it says something about our standard of refs that Alty is now considered one of our best referees.

I'll never forgive him for thinking about sending Luiz off. Stopping when he got a word in his ear.

That decision also lead to Cheesy being sacked at the BBC.
 
If you slag the ref on the pitch you could get a 5 min sin bin. Would stop overnight at all levels
This season, wasn't the team captain supposed to be the only player who talks to the referee ?
The abuse of officials (especially linesmen) has been allowed for decades.
Can remember that pair of Palace pillocks (Wright & Bright) being particularly aggressive to officials, at the memorable Maine Road game, when Eric Nixon was sent off...
 
I wouldn't believe a word that Clown Clattenburg says.
He is an egotistical, attention-seeking buffoon.
Cannot remember the exact sequence of events, but he mysteriously disappeared from being one of Uefa's highest rated referees...
A bent **** calling out another **** breaks the **** code. Hence why I tend to believe him on this.
 
Wasnt it him who made his rules up once for our visit to Anfield, telling both teams before the game he would let fouls go ( or to that extent) which suited the Dippers and not us then rule our goal out by taking the game back about 20 minutes for a soft physical challenge in the build up for much less than he was letting go all game.
And that Chelsea game as others mentioned.
 
This season, wasn't the team captain supposed to be the only player who talks to the referee ?
The abuse of officials (especially linesmen) has been allowed for decades.
Can remember that pair of Palace pillocks (Wright & Bright) being particularly aggressive to officials, at the memorable Maine Road game, when Eric Nixon was sent off...
One of my earliest memories of city that game.
 
Yes, because it’s a deep rooted culture across the sport at all levels going back decades.

It’s that culture that turns away potential referees from the sport from a young age (to become a PL referee you will likely have to have been refereeing from the age of about 14). When more refs turn away from the sport, there are fewer to select from to make it at the top level, and therefore the talent pool of referees is smaller.

Doesn’t matter how much they’re paid. It’s about retaining numbers by creating a better culture conducive to helping more referees become better referees.

It’s the same in any walk of life - the more people you force to walk away from a profession at a younger age or lower level, the fewer in number you’ll see of top quality at the top level.
I get to a degree if we was struggling for numbers etc. The fact is they still shouldn't be as bad as they are. Weekly. Even if they are that bad, the referee doing VAR should not be getting so much so wrong. That has nothing to do with grassroots football, it is simply having half a brain.
 
Which is one reason why he shouldn’t ref derby games. Altrincham is a stones through down the A56 to Trafford. Far too near. A definite conflict of interest.
I know for certain one of his brothers is a season ticket holder at the swamp. Alti Tony also played cricket at Timperley hockey and cricket club and played in the same side as my business partner and he was well known as a rag supporter. He should be nowhere near officiating the dipper, the rags or our games!!
 



@Bluesince1979 footballers have always abused referees from Sunday league right to the top of the professional league certainly since I was a kid.
I wonder if they will ever mic a top level ref up again like this. Tony Adams sounds a right numpty on this.
A straight red card for dissent will sort the abuse out,but I feel refs have no backbone.
 
Twattenberg claimed in an interview last week Webb "has his own agenda" as head of PiGMOL. Anyone who used to work for SYP and had regular dinner dates with GPC shouldn't be head of the organisation. Also his wife does the same for the WSL.

Back on topic.

I think it says something about our standard of refs that Alty is now considered one of our best referees.

I'll never forgive him for thinking about sending Luiz off. Stopping when he got a word in his ear.

That decision also lead to Cheesy being sacked at the BBC.

Corruption in plain site from Alty that day. Cheesy knew exactly what was going on and he was rightly livid. Alty was being 'coached' by someone not on the field of play and quite possibly directly linked to the broadcaster, Sky Sports.

I'm not entirely sure what happened with the BBC (apart from his contract being terminated), but the fact that they stayed silent and continue to do over obvious corruption in the PL speaks volumes. What Cheesy said clearly wasn't part of the BBC's agenda.
 
This season, wasn't the team captain supposed to be the only player who talks to the referee ?
The abuse of officials (especially linesmen) has been allowed for decades.
Can remember that pair of Palace pillocks (Wright & Bright) being particularly aggressive to officials, at the memorable Maine Road game, when Eric Nixon was sent off...
Any player can approach the ref not just the captain. However it can only be one player not three or four. Refs are too stupid to yellow card the additional players so the problem continues.
 
Taylor is spot on.

That incident with his family being abused and attacked after the Europa League Final was an utter disgrace, and all started by Mourinho who only got a four match ban for it (the **** should have got half a season).

Taylor simply didn’t fall for all of Roma’s constant diving, pretending to be injured and timewasting and punished Mourinho for running on the pitch to confront him while play was taking place. Mourinho was after Taylor all game, trying to intimidate him but Taylor ref’d it spot on.

Mourinho then waited for him in the car park which emboldened the Roma support to do the same to Taylor and his family at the airport (a table was thrown at them, for fuck’s sake). The Roma fans ignored all of Mourinho and his players’ cheating in that game and ran with their blind faith that Mourinho couldn’t be at fault or wrong and they acted in the same way as their **** of a manager.

In football, we get the standard of officials we deserve!

In grassroots junior football parents abuse and threaten young referees from the sideline. In open age amateur football referees can face anything from being verbally threatened to physical violence or get back to the car park after a game to find their vehicle has been damaged. All the way up to elite professional football, the level of constant cheating by players and coaches is off the scale (far more than any other sport and I’m fucking sick to death of it!) and the verbal abuse they get aimed at them by players shows this sport in a very poor light.

It all emboldens spectators to abuse officials to a far too extreme level, and fans even go as far as to send death threats to referees and/or their families online.

All of this means that the amount of referees the sport entices and retains is smaller than it could be which means the talent pool of officials is not good enough for a sport of this magnitude… because, who the fuck wants to put up with this shit from this sport?

Too many fans never take any of this into consideration. They, like the Roma fans, just run with their entrenched biases around their own clubs and don’t look at the wider picture. They think it’s all corruption against their club, which is pure delusion when you read and hear the views of fans of all clubs who all think referees are corrupt against their club. Every…single…set of fans think this, and they can’t all be right!

Fans don’t help themselves in other ways either. Considering many fans can watch upwards of a dozen games of this sport a week, the amount of fans who don’t know the LotG is staggering. The amount of bollocks you read on social media and hear in conversations makes me wonder at times if football is just a sport for simpletons.

Agüero scored once after Ederson pinged a ball to him from a goal kick when he was stood in an offside position. A lad near me said ‘don’t know why they did that, it won’t count, he was offside’. I told him ‘you can’t be offside from a goal kick’ and he told me to shut up and stop being ridiculous.

This season on this site I’ve seen multiple posters asking why we aren’t seeing the VAR draw the lines for offsides anymore, when we’ve had the semiautomated offside AI system in the PL since April. It should have been remembered by our fanbase more than any other because it was City v Palace in April which was the first ever game in this country to have the semiautomated offside AI system in place.

Fans are also deluded with their expectations of officials. Even in sports where the standard of officials is excellent, they still make mistakes. Yet in football, where the standard of officials is poor, many fans - who have made their judgements on referee decisions after they’ve seen multiple replays from different speeds at different angles over a number of days - moan that the officials didn’t get a decision right with no understanding that the officials only saw the incident once, at one speed, from one angle, and maybe even missed it as they might have been looking at something else on the pitch at the time (not talking about VAR decisions with that point, that’s a different topic).

Taylor is actually one of the better referees, but overall the standard of officials in football is very poor. But it’s not their fault, it’s not PIGMOL’s fault, it’s the fault of the players and spectators of this sport from grassroots level all the way up to to the most elite level.

We need to change the culture around referees in this sport at all levels, then we will get a better standard of referees and the sport can move up in quality.
Excellent post.

There is far too much abuse of referees and other officials in football, and as you said, they don’t receive this level of criticism in other sports.

I think a lot of it could be stamped out by referees booking players for swearing at them or speaking to them, if they’re not the captain. In rugby, it’s only the captain, who can speak to the referee, and it’s always done in a polite and respectful manner.

I also agree that Taylor is one of the better English refs, though that’s not saying much.

Something has to be done, or no youngsters are going to want to take up the job.
 
Excellent post.

There is far too much abuse of referees and other officials in football, and as you said, they don’t receive this level of criticism in other sports.

I think a lot of it could be stamped out by referees booking players for swearing at them or speaking to them, if they’re not the captain. In rugby, it’s only the captain, who can speak to the referee, and it’s always done in a polite and respectful manner.

I also agree that Taylor is one of the better English refs, though that’s not saying much.

Something has to be done, or no youngsters are going to want to take up the job.
There always will be a number of contrary buggers and masochists about to fill some of the spots, along with those open to the odd backhander.
 
I wouldn't believe a word that Clown Clattenburg says.
He is an egotistical, attention-seeking buffoon.
Cannot remember the exact sequence of events, but he mysteriously disappeared from being one of Uefa's highest rated referees...
... and now his money making sojourn to the Saudi league has finished, he wants to worm his way back in here somehow. But Webb is now the referee in chief, so he needs him out of the way first.
 

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