Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

IDF Nazis still bombing Gaza despite (hopefully ) an imminent ceasefire. Few buildings still standing so hope none of the hostages were "accidentally murdered ' by their IDF countrymen as they were on 7 October 2023.
Israeli officials admitted that the so called Hannibal Directive was implemented on that day but have never confirmed how many Israelis were deliberately killed to stop them being taken hostage by Hamas.
Another example of the truth not being allowed to undermine Israeli propaganda.
 
IDF Nazis still bombing Gaza despite (hopefully ) an imminent ceasefire. Few buildings still standing so hope none of the hostages were "accidentally murdered ' by their IDF countrymen as they were on 7 October 2023.
Israeli officials admitted that the so called Hannibal Directive was implemented on that day but have never confirmed how many Israelis were deliberately killed to stop them being taken hostage by Hamas.
Another example of the truth not being allowed to undermine Israeli propaganda.
The UN Commission estimated that 14 Israeli civilians were likely killed by Israeli fire in situations consistent with Hannibal.
 
As I said, don’t start a war, lose then cry victim. The amount of firepower is irrelevant, it’s war. If you are attached with a 6 inch blade do you react with something similar or something far more powerful.
Interesting and apposite analogy. I think if I was attacked by someone with a 6 inch blade, in a restaurant, with my family present, I would do everything I could to defend myself and my family. This could extend to me grabbing a knife from the restaurant to do so, or using the attacker’s own knife on them if I was able to seize it from them. It might even extend to me killing my attacker in the act of defending myself and my family.

What I wouldn’t do, when the person who attacked me was plainly incapacitated, would be to go on to attack his family, including his children with the same weapon that I used on the attacker and everyone who happened to be sat near him for the next two hours.

Your first sentence only stands up to any form of scrutiny if it’s predicated on the basis that innocent children are as culpable as the monstrous and foolish people who launched the utterly misconceived strategic calamity that was 7/10; but that act of infamy (to borrow a phrase from FDR) however appalling, can never give Israel carte blanche, because if it does then deliberately starving children is acceptable - so unless you don’t believe that there has to be a line somewhere, then it’s obvious to anyone with any sense of reason and objectivity that Israel, from a position of legitimately defending itself, crossed that line some considerable time ago.

And the amount of firepower is far from irrelevant. It’s akin to saying that when that same person attacked me with the knife, and I happened to be carrying a machine gun, I’d be entirely justified to kill everyone in the restaurant with it, after I’d killed him, simply because I had it on my person. If every world leader thought like that then our species would already have wiped itself out in a nuclear Armageddon, and in turn destroyed the planet, many years ago.

The amount of firepower any nation possesses, and how it deploys it, is always relevant to any discussion about how it wages war, especially where an inequality of arms subsists. It’s inhuman to suggest otherwise.
 
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Interesting and apposite analogy. I think if I was attacked by someone with a 6 inch blade, in a restaurant, with my family present, I would do everything I could to defend myself and my family. This could extend to me grabbing a knife from the restaurant to do so, or using the attacker’s own knife on them if I was able to seize it from them. It might even extend to me killing my attacker in the act of defending myself and my family.

What I wouldn’t do, when the person who attacked me was plainly incapacitated, would be to go on to attack his family, including his children with the same weapon that I used on the attacker and everyone who happened to be sat near him for the next two hours.

Your first sentence only stands up to any form of scrutiny if it’s predicated on the basis that innocent children are as culpable as the monstrous and foolish people who launched the utterly misconceived strategic calamity that was 7/10; but that act of infamy (to borrow a phrase from FDR) however appalling, can never give Israel carte blanche, because if it does then deliberately starving children is acceptable - so unless you don’t believe that there has to be a line somewhere, then it’s obvious to anyone with any sense of reason and objectivity that Israel, from a position of legitimately defending itself, crossed that line some considerable time ago.

And the amount of firepower is far from irrelevant. It’s akin to saying that when that same person attacked me with the knife, and I happened to be carrying a machine gun, I’d be entirely justified to kill everyone in the restaurant with it, after I’d killed him, simply because I had it on my person. If every world leader thought like that then our species would already have wiped itself out in a nuclear Armageddon, and in turn destroyed the planet, many years ago.

The amount of firepower any nation possesses, and how it deploys it, is always relevant to any discussion about how it wages war, especially where an inequality of arms subsists. It’s inhuman to suggest otherwise.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you fucking eviscerate someone. Not that he was worth this brilliant response.

Very well said.
 

The 2025 Nobel peace prize has been awarded to Maria Corina Machado Venezuelan opposition leader, Donald Trump was a hopeful candidate.
It would have been a travesty of the *Nobel peace prize*, had he succeeded
 
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Has there been any details announced when independent journalists will be let back into Gaza.
Only then, will the true devastation be exposed to the world.
 

“BREAKING: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says it is crucial that all terms of the ceasefire deal be implemented and that Turkey will take responsibility for monitoring its execution.

Erdogan warns that Israel has a long record of failing to honor agreements and often uses petty pretexts to avoid compliance. He added that any return to the genocide in Gaza would carry a very heavy price
 
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Why is the News on this 99% on the Israli hostages and pratically fuck all on the hundreds of Palestinians also kidnapped and being released?

It's as if this never happened.
I’m going to keep the pressure on in any way I can on social media. This thread won’t die anytime soon, a video documents a horrific Israeli crime: targeting ambulance and civil defence crews as they were rescuing victims and the wounded after Israel bombed Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis among them was journalist Hossam al-Masri.
 
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“: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says it is crucial that all terms of the ceasefire deal be implemented and that Turkey will take responsibility for monitoring its execution.

Erdogan warns that Israel has a long record of failing to honor agreements and often uses petty pretexts to avoid compliance. He added that any return to the genocide in Gaza would carry a very heavy price”

Every country has to support Turkey the UK has to join in and make sure we help the Palestinians their homes have been reduced to rubble
The crossings are still closed where is the peacekeeping force their should be one.??
 
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I’m going to keep the pressure on in any way I can on social media. This thread won’t die anytime soon, a video documents a horrific Israeli crime: targeting ambulance and civil defence crews as they were rescuing victims and the wounded after Israel bombed Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis among them was journalist Hossam al-Masri.
Any videos of Hamas murdering the Bibas kids, taking a shovel to try and behead a civilian, murdering innocents by burning them in an ambulance, gang raping women, executing hostages or maybe innocent Jews in Manchester being murdered. Asking for a friend. Shabbat Shalom
 
Personally think the word ceasefire just like war is not accurate here.

Ceasefire implies both sides stop shooting. As far as I can tell the aggression is coming from one side. Similarly war implies two active combatants. In reality only one here.

So when Netanyahu thanks Trump for securing a ceasefire he's thanking him for something he could have done himself.

It is probably true that Trump told him to accept proposals he didn't want to in order to get this done.

And the nazis Ben Gvir and Smotrich will kick up a fuss.

Netanyahu's position I would say is now untenable.
 

The 2025 Nobel peace prize has been awarded to Maria Corina Machado Venezuelan opposition leader, Donald Trump was a hopeful candidate.
It would have been a travesty of the *Nobel peace prize*, had he succeeded



She's no better herself
 
These pictures from Gaza are just beyond belief , total destruction everywhere you look. Our part in this is inexcusable.
The true figure of dead Palestinians is going to be off the scale. Numbers of 200'000 - 300'000 buried under the rubble is being mentioned. Even that could be a lowball. Truly Evil what the IDF are responsible for doing. It will be an absolute fuckin travesty if these soldiers who've carried out these genocidal war crimes are not brought to account.
 

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