Anthony Taylor (of Altrincham)

.db. said:
See, fans don’t help themselves^ He’s awarded the Rags 4 penalties in derbies, not 6-7.

Of these 4 penalties, which of them do you think he shouldn’t have awarded?

5.14 here:


0.11 here:


0.12 here:


2.14 here:


…they all look like definite penalties to me.

And what incidents do you think he didn’t give us a penalty where he should have?

It’s alright putting the numbers up saying it’s 6-7 to none (even though it’s 4), but you have to look at the detail of them. It’s not like he’s run around dishing them out willy nilly for them and not giving us 6-7 that he should have. It’s just a coïniccdence of circumstance in the five derbies he’s ref’d that he’s given them 4 pens he should have and us none because we haven’t had any he should have given.
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One he didn't give was when Ashley Young kicked Aguero late in a row game also failed to send of David Luiz v Chelsea but managed to send of Aguero and Fernandino
 
city5189 said:



@Bluesince1979 footballers have always abused referees from Sunday league right to the top of the professional league certainly since I was a kid.
I wonder if they will ever mic a top level ref up again like this. Tony Adams sounds a right numpty on this.
A straight red card for dissent will sort the abuse out,but I feel refs have no backbone.
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Yeah ive been in and around footy long enough to know its been around always. Im shocked at the nastiness shown im kids footy to teenage refs by adults though

Like a lot of things in football, it could be cured pretty quickly, but football is very reluctant to take the step
 
.db. said:
Taylor is spot on.

That incident with his family being abused and attacked after the Europa League Final was an utter disgrace, and all started by Mourinho who only got a four match ban for it (the **** should have got half a season).

Taylor simply didn’t fall for all of Roma’s constant diving, pretending to be injured and timewasting and punished Mourinho for running on the pitch to confront him while play was taking place. Mourinho was after Taylor all game, trying to intimidate him but Taylor ref’d it spot on.

Mourinho then waited for him in the car park which emboldened the Roma support to do the same to Taylor and his family at the airport (a table was thrown at them, for fuck’s sake). The Roma fans ignored all of Mourinho and his players’ cheating in that game and ran with their blind faith that Mourinho couldn’t be at fault or wrong and they acted in the same way as their **** of a manager.

In football, we get the standard of officials we deserve!

In grassroots junior football parents abuse and threaten young referees from the sideline. In open age amateur football referees can face anything from being verbally threatened to physical violence or get back to the car park after a game to find their vehicle has been damaged. All the way up to elite professional football, the level of constant cheating by players and coaches is off the scale (far more than any other sport and I’m fucking sick to death of it!) and the verbal abuse they get aimed at them by players shows this sport in a very poor light.

It all emboldens spectators to abuse officials to a far too extreme level, and fans even go as far as to send death threats to referees and/or their families online.

All of this means that the amount of referees the sport entices and retains is smaller than it could be which means the talent pool of officials is not good enough for a sport of this magnitude… because, who the fuck wants to put up with this shit from this sport?

Too many fans never take any of this into consideration. They, like the Roma fans, just run with their entrenched biases around their own clubs and don’t look at the wider picture. They think it’s all corruption against their club, which is pure delusion when you read and hear the views of fans of all clubs who all think referees are corrupt against their club. Every…single…set of fans think this, and they can’t all be right!

Fans don’t help themselves in other ways either. Considering many fans can watch upwards of a dozen games of this sport a week, the amount of fans who don’t know the LotG is staggering. The amount of bollocks you read on social media and hear in conversations makes me wonder at times if football is just a sport for simpletons.

Agüero scored once after Ederson pinged a ball to him from a goal kick when he was stood in an offside position. A lad near me said ‘don’t know why they did that, it won’t count, he was offside’. I told him ‘you can’t be offside from a goal kick’ and he told me to shut up and stop being ridiculous.

This season on this site I’ve seen multiple posters asking why we aren’t seeing the VAR draw the lines for offsides anymore, when we’ve had the semiautomated offside AI system in the PL since April. It should have been remembered by our fanbase more than any other because it was City v Palace in April which was the first ever game in this country to have the semiautomated offside AI system in place.

Fans are also deluded with their expectations of officials. Even in sports where the standard of officials is excellent, they still make mistakes. Yet in football, where the standard of officials is poor, many fans - who have made their judgements on referee decisions after they’ve seen multiple replays from different speeds at different angles over a number of days - moan that the officials didn’t get a decision right with no understanding that the officials only saw the incident once, at one speed, from one angle, and maybe even missed it as they might have been looking at something else on the pitch at the time (not talking about VAR decisions with that point, that’s a different topic).

Taylor is actually one of the better referees, but overall the standard of officials in football is very poor. But it’s not their fault, it’s not PIGMOL’s fault, it’s the fault of the players and spectators of this sport from grassroots level all the way up to to the most elite level.

We need to change the culture around referees in this sport at all levels, then we will get a better standard of referees and the sport can move up in quality.
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This is the most ridiculous comment I’ve seen for years. It beggars belief that a football fan could ask this. Mind you, it is an overseas utd fan tbf.
 

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Just like too many of his on-field decisions he gets our issue with referees wrong. We don't want perfection, as he puts it. We want a strict application of the LotG so that a foul called at Anfield is given at The Etihad, and pens given to the Rags are replicated for every other team when they are fouled in the area.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Just like too many of his on-field decisions he gets our issue with referees wrong. We don't want perfection, as he puts it. We want a strict application of the LotG so that a foul called at Anfield is given at The Etihad, and pens given to the Rags are replicated for every other team when they are fouled in the area.
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Mr Taylor has selective amnesia when it comes to reffing us at Klanfield.
 
urban genie said:
he has done plenty of derbys and been impartial, even giving us better decisions.

I worry more about oliver, england and attwell than taylor tbh
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Agree about the derbies and those muppets you mention. Been quite nice to utd going back over the years though, iirc.
 
levets said:
This is the most ridiculous comment I’ve seen for years. It beggars belief that a football fan could ask this. Mind you, it is an overseas utd fan tbf.
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Some have suggested that the person, who posted this originally, is an attention seeker of the worst kind.
 
BillCarlisle said:
No, it was Taylor. Never forgiven him for that- it was sheer incompetence, no matter what he says now.
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Definitely Atkinson, but the Chelsea game was the worst referees performance I've seen in 40 odd years ,all escalated because he didn't send Luis off.
 
.db. said:
Taylor is spot on.

That incident with his family being abused and attacked after the Europa League Final was an utter disgrace, and all started by Mourinho who only got a four match ban for it (the **** should have got half a season).

Taylor simply didn’t fall for all of Roma’s constant diving, pretending to be injured and timewasting and punished Mourinho for running on the pitch to confront him while play was taking place. Mourinho was after Taylor all game, trying to intimidate him but Taylor ref’d it spot on.

Mourinho then waited for him in the car park which emboldened the Roma support to do the same to Taylor and his family at the airport (a table was thrown at them, for fuck’s sake). The Roma fans ignored all of Mourinho and his players’ cheating in that game and ran with their blind faith that Mourinho couldn’t be at fault or wrong and they acted in the same way as their **** of a manager.

In football, we get the standard of officials we deserve!

In grassroots junior football parents abuse and threaten young referees from the sideline. In open age amateur football referees can face anything from being verbally threatened to physical violence or get back to the car park after a game to find their vehicle has been damaged. All the way up to elite professional football, the level of constant cheating by players and coaches is off the scale (far more than any other sport and I’m fucking sick to death of it!) and the verbal abuse they get aimed at them by players shows this sport in a very poor light.

It all emboldens spectators to abuse officials to a far too extreme level, and fans even go as far as to send death threats to referees and/or their families online.

All of this means that the amount of referees the sport entices and retains is smaller than it could be which means the talent pool of officials is not good enough for a sport of this magnitude… because, who the fuck wants to put up with this shit from this sport?

Too many fans never take any of this into consideration. They, like the Roma fans, just run with their entrenched biases around their own clubs and don’t look at the wider picture. They think it’s all corruption against their club, which is pure delusion when you read and hear the views of fans of all clubs who all think referees are corrupt against their club. Every…single…set of fans think this, and they can’t all be right!

Fans don’t help themselves in other ways either. Considering many fans can watch upwards of a dozen games of this sport a week, the amount of fans who don’t know the LotG is staggering. The amount of bollocks you read on social media and hear in conversations makes me wonder at times if football is just a sport for simpletons.

Agüero scored once after Ederson pinged a ball to him from a goal kick when he was stood in an offside position. A lad near me said ‘don’t know why they did that, it won’t count, he was offside’. I told him ‘you can’t be offside from a goal kick’ and he told me to shut up and stop being ridiculous.

This season on this site I’ve seen multiple posters asking why we aren’t seeing the VAR draw the lines for offsides anymore, when we’ve had the semiautomated offside AI system in the PL since April. It should have been remembered by our fanbase more than any other because it was City v Palace in April which was the first ever game in this country to have the semiautomated offside AI system in place.

Fans are also deluded with their expectations of officials. Even in sports where the standard of officials is excellent, they still make mistakes. Yet in football, where the standard of officials is poor, many fans - who have made their judgements on referee decisions after they’ve seen multiple replays from different speeds at different angles over a number of days - moan that the officials didn’t get a decision right with no understanding that the officials only saw the incident once, at one speed, from one angle, and maybe even missed it as they might have been looking at something else on the pitch at the time (not talking about VAR decisions with that point, that’s a different topic).

Taylor is actually one of the better referees, but overall the standard of officials in football is very poor. But it’s not their fault, it’s not PIGMOL’s fault, it’s the fault of the players and spectators of this sport from grassroots level all the way up to to the most elite level.

We need to change the culture around referees in this sport at all levels, then we will get a better standard of referees and the sport can move up in quality.
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Great post with very well formed observations.
Not surprised by some of the turgid attitudes by some on here. I would guess their only involvement in football is watching tv and sitting in the stands. Football is so much more than that.
 
I haven't seen the whole interview, but I'll make a couple of points on what I have seen.

1. It's good to hear him speak candidly about his job on the pitch, especially about "perfection".
2. I'm pleased he highlighted the issue with youngsters getting into refereeing, and not sticking with it. Until they find a way to stop the abuse at the younger age (from players/officials/fans), refereeing will never improve. Perhaps a more structured system for encouraging young refereee's is required.
3. The way he (and especially his family) were treated after that UEFA game was disgraceful, no referee should have to suffer that.

Referee's are not popular with fans (City fans in particular), and I'm often very critical, but I think it's a positive to hear from them, and it should be encouraged from many more.
 
BillCarlisle said:
Sorry mate. It was Taylor. We lost 1-3 and one of the worst reffing displays I've seen too. Check it out.
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Ashleu
BillCarlisle said:
Sorry mate. It was Taylor. We lost 1-3 and one of the worst reffing displays I've seen too. Check it out.
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Ashley Young has never played for Chelski, the incident I remember was him kicking Sergio at the North Stand end in the Derby which Atkinson ignored !
 
Bluesince1979 said:
I find the amount of posts saying “we shouldnt abuse referees …. But some decisions are currupt! Refs are shit etc etc” uncomfortable.

My daughters u14 game was abandoned after 35 mins last saturday, due to the storm. It was becoming dangerous, a girl broke her leg and 2 others had to go off.
The score was 2-2.
The opposition coaches, parents and players then surrounded the 16 year old ref, shouting at him, demanding the 3 points. The ref had to be escorted to the club house whilst he phoned his mum.

Disgraceful right?

But it has to start at the top. If top level football showed an immediate red card to any player/coach even so much as shouted at a referee then it would soon filter down.
If youth teams werent even allowed to soeak to the referee unless spoken to, like rugby, then the respect would follow

Football is fuckin poisoness when it comes to referee treatment and half the comments on here almost facilitate that abuse with “buts” all over the show
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At the top we have Howard Red. I've watched that Mic'd Up programme once. That was enough. Red and Michael Owen talking in a simpering, whiny, condescending tone about decisions that were easy to make. Get fucked, give us the complete, unedited tape of the rodent's offside goal against us. Let's have the full tape of a match. Alternatively, let everyone who has paid to to attend the game hear the conversations...in their entireity. Show us the incidents on the big screen.
Until then, we can all see with our own eyes the way matches are refereed and make up our own conclusions.
 
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