Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Manc Born & Bred said:
Maybe, just maybe it’s because Hamas breached the terms of the agreement hence the reduction in aid trucks going in. Do you resent the fact that Israel wants its dead hostages back to give them a proper burial?
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But Israel believes the terror group is deliberately holding some of the bodies, Israeli public broadcaster Kan reports.

'The writing was on the wall, but only now are we discussing in any significant way the options for response', a source close to the matter told Kan. .

They would be bloody lucky to fin a 'wall' still standing! Cover up job for the number of their own killed in the bombing
 
Blue Maverick said:
Israel only allowing half the aid trucks in, so the get their hostages back and start fucking about, once they have all the remains they’ll start bombing again. If it’s truely over then they should be having elections and kick that **** out of power in Israel.
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Did you expect anything less? They're still indiscriminately killing Palestinians; once the inexplicable euphoria of this "deal" fades they'll ramp it up again.
 
I quite understand Israel wanting its dead hostages back. That is natural, a human desire for closure and respectful burial.

I can also understand that there may well be practical difficulties. (Imagine, for example, trying to pick out a dozen particular individuals from post-Bomber Harris Dresden.)

I hope it can be resolved, but somehow I doubt the bodies are all neatly laid out in some chapel of rest that Hamas is keeping concealed. I hope Israel or the Red Cross, or whoever, is extended every facility in their quest and that there is no deliberate obstruction.
 
BrianW said:
I quite understand Israel wanting its dead hostages back. That is natural, a human desire for closure and respectful burial.

I can also understand that there may well be practical difficulties. (Imagine, for example, trying to pick out a dozen particular individuals from post-Bomber Harris Dresden.)

I hope it can be resolved, but somehow I doubt the bodies are all neatly laid out in some chapel of rest that Hamas is keeping concealed. I hope Israel or the Red Cross, or whoever, is extended every facility in their quest and that there is no deliberate obstruction.
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Im fairly sure the near 200'000 Palestinians dead under the rubble are not neatly laid out either!
 
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The blue phantom said:
Im fairly sure the near 200'000 Palestinians dead under the rubble are neatly laid out either!
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Well, exactly, and that highlights the problem. The odds are at least some of the hostages lie among them in that rubble and sorting it out will be no mean task. I don't envy anyone doing that job, no matter who they are.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


Indonesia may provide the peacekeeping force
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Heard him on the radio this morning.

In Gaza, in Palestine, we will, of course, help to rebuild all the football facilities. We will help to bring football back – together with the Palestinian Football Association – in every corner of the country. We will bring (footballs), we will build pitches, we will bring instructors, we will help organise competitions, we will launch a fund to help rebuild football infrastructure in Palestine,” he announced.

Infantino added that FIFA would contribute with mini-pitches and “FIFA arenas” and invite other partners to join the effort, saying “football brings hope to children, and it’s very, very important.”
 
Xhavenjoe said:
Heard him on the radio this morning.

In Gaza, in Palestine, we will, of course, help to rebuild all the football facilities. We will help to bring football back – together with the Palestinian Football Association – in every corner of the country. We will bring (footballs), we will build pitches, we will bring instructors, we will help organise competitions, we will launch a fund to help rebuild football infrastructure in Palestine,” he announced.

Infantino added that FIFA would contribute with mini-pitches and “FIFA arenas” and invite other partners to join the effort, saying “football brings hope to children, and it’s very, very important.”
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Its going to take a decade to clear the rubble and he's talking about football pitches. Not a fuckin word from the slimey bastard regarding what Israel has done.
 
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Kirkstall Blue said:


Israel released one hostage yesterday, tracked him down to Egypt and took him and two others away, this is what the IDF does.
I don’t know what Egypt is doing allowing the IDF to walk in and take someone away
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Probably worth noting that as well as the 3.8 billion the US sends in aid to israel every year they also send money to Egypt to keep them sweet (for the benefit of israel).

Looks like israelis are already celebrating that "there will be jewish settlement in gaza". Grok has confirmed this video is real and the translation is correct:



Do we need to keep a list that tracks all of the israeli ceasefire violations and war crimes this time? What've they done so far - shot dead 9 people and are stopping aid getting in? See how many they clock up tomorrow
 
As they march through the rubble, and the bodies of upto 200,000 Palestinians litter the streets, we still have people here keen to maintain the discourse that Hamas are the terrorists. At what point do an occupying army who shoot civilians, repeatedly bomb the land and salt the earth, steal homes, and starve children, become the terrorists?

I can understand (sort of) an older generation who grew and learned through the terror of the Holocaust, who were taught about the horrors experienced by Jews, that changing the thought process can be tricky. My father refuses to use social media, and his experience of this conflict comes from the Daily Mail and GB News. He refuses to accept criticism of Israel. He has similarly strong loyalist views about Northern Ireland too. He is 80 and will not change, but for younger people so exposed to what is going on, and what has been going on, how can you remain so utterly entrenched in the view that Israel is somehow a victim?
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Probably worth noting that as well as the 3.8 billion the US sends in aid to israel every year they also send money to Egypt to keep them sweet (for the benefit of israel).

Looks like israelis are already celebrating that "there will be jewish settlement in gaza". Grok has confirmed this video is real and the translation is correct:



Do we need to keep a list that tracks all of the israeli ceasefire violations and war crimes this time? What've they done so far - shot dead 9 people and are stopping aid getting in? See how many they clock up tomorrow
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Are you going to keep a list of all Hamas' violations. They broke it first by crossing the yellow line, then they haven't returned all the dead bodies and even this morning they have returned a dead Arab instead of a dead hostage. Oh and they are refusing to give up their weapons and they have murdered around 50+ of their own. Lots of videos of the executions going around or does this not all fit your agenda.
 
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