The Labour Government

Caerphilly by-election result tells you all you need to know about the shambles of this government. A distant third in a seat they’ve held for 100 years. 11% of the vote.

It’ll be worse when they break their manifesto pledge of not increasing tax.
 
Palerider said:
Jess Phillips Birmingham constituency has a muslim population of around 45%. Her job depends on winning their vote. Clearly she is in a compromised position with regards this racially charged enquiry. It's understandable that some the rape victims do not have trust in her. The optics just do not look good, she needs to step aside on this issue (not sacked).
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I think that's just your myopia.
 
blueinsa said:
With respect, they’ve been let down by social workers and the police so forgive them for thinking an enquiry led by social workers and the police may not bring about any sort of justice for them.
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So you'd have objected to Alexis Jay chairing the IICSA? A social work inspector?

We have been here before:

"The first two chairs appointed to the original panel inquiry were Baroness Butler-Sloss (appointed 8 July 2014, stepped down 14 July 2014). The reasons for their withdrawal in each case were objections related to their perceived closeness to individuals and establishments which would be investigated. There were also objections to the shape of the inquiry itself, concerning testimony, the scope of inquiry, and lack of ability to compel witnesses to testify. In December 2014, it was reported that Theresa May was reconsidering arrangements for the inquiry. On 4 February 2015, May announced that the inquiry would be chaired by Dame Lowell Goddard, a New Zealand High Court judge who had no ties to the UK bodies and persons likely to be investigated. The existing panel was disbanded, and the inquiry was given new powers as a statutory inquiry. Lowell Goddard resigned as chair in August 2016 and was replaced by Professor Alexis Jay."
 
WRicko said:
Well, So we cannot have any of the relevant experts involved. We cannot have judges because it might stop criminal proceedings or take to long ( they to have let down victims) we cannot have social workers or police or council staff because they have let down victims even if these specific ones have gone above and beyond not

Let’s just not bother

This is why enquiries don’t work in this country aside from politicians not implementing the changes they suggest they are about victims feelings and stories not the data and evidence not coming up with solutions getting things done quickly our enquires last far longer and cost a lot more than other countries
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So Labour's commitment to Telford-style local inquiries was the right one and they should have ignored Baroness Casey's recommendation for another (limited) inquiry. (If it was all a stitch-up Baroness Casey wouldn't have come up with that recommendation....)
 
mancityvstoke said:
Shit on pensioners, more then you already do, at your peril
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shit on people aged 50 and younger is an even worse option - bluntly we are 4 years out from the next GE and that inevitably means there will be fewer of todays pensioners alive and voting in 4 years than there will be 16 - 50 year olds.
 
bluethrunthru said:
shit on people aged 50 and younger is an even worse option - bluntly we are 4 years out from the next GE and that inevitably means there will be fewer of todays pensioners alive and voting in 4 years than there will be 16 - 50 year olds.
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Yeah that as well.......titanic party. Not the labour party I knew.
Shit leader and troughing MP's.

If you think they'll get voted back in you're mad.
 
It's a bold strategy from Labour supporters to be all "Labour is what is best for the country" to "You fucking idiotic peons, voting against Labour?! We are your betters!" when they lose, and then wondering why people up and down the country have lost faith in the party.

It's not a good way to win people back.
 
Vic said:
So you'd have objected to Alexis Jay chairing the IICSA? A social work inspector?

We have been here before:

"The first two chairs appointed to the original panel inquiry were Baroness Butler-Sloss (appointed 8 July 2014, stepped down 14 July 2014). The reasons for their withdrawal in each case were objections related to their perceived closeness to individuals and establishments which would be investigated. There were also objections to the shape of the inquiry itself, concerning testimony, the scope of inquiry, and lack of ability to compel witnesses to testify. In December 2014, it was reported that Theresa May was reconsidering arrangements for the inquiry. On 4 February 2015, May announced that the inquiry would be chaired by Dame Lowell Goddard, a New Zealand High Court judge who had no ties to the UK bodies and persons likely to be investigated. The existing panel was disbanded, and the inquiry was given new powers as a statutory inquiry. Lowell Goddard resigned as chair in August 2016 and was replaced by Professor Alexis Jay."
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It’s matters not a jot what you or I think.

The victims are speaking and they should be heard.
 
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