The Labour Government

Before the last election a lot of economists said the same thing: regardless of who wins we're screwed. And they were right. All of them said vote for me and I'll sort it all out. And for all of them it was somewhere between insane optimism and downright lies. But that's politics: you can't run on a platform that says it's all a mess and I haven't a clue. So here we are with a lot of the electorate opting for the 'fuck it' option: i.e. Reform. Which is a great way to put two fingers up to the establishment. Even though there is overwhelming evidence that Farage couldn't be trusted to run a whelk stall. How many electors will press the 'fuck it' button when it really matters? Who knows.
To be fair to them, Starmer and Sunak both basically said the country is fucked but vote for me and I'll do my best to try and sort it out.

It's not what people wanted to hear, and they still don't, hence people are choosing to ignore reality and run into Reform's arms of delusion, but it was true then and it's true now.

I'm of the opinion that we'd be in exactly the same place no matter which of them won the election.

The bigger problem now is the collapse of the Conservatives has led to a vacuum on the right that Reform are more than happy to fill. The Tories urgently need a change of leadership - a popular and electable Cameron figure.

In a roundabout way that'll actually do Labour a favour too as a viable Conservative Party will collapse the Reform vote.
 
Who needs any more than 1200 calories a day and a roof over their head. You could survive, just about, on that.

Should that be the requirement for pensioners or those on benefits ? Or should people aspire to have something better ?

I note you didnt answer the question posed re capping public sector final salary pensions to 40k or as I think you are now saying 28k (taking into account the state pension).

Maybe we should go down the route of nobody being able to earn over 40k as they would be earning more than the average wage ? We could all then wear the same clothes, live in the same sized flat, with a selection of government approved meals. Sounds delightful, Chairman Mao would be proud.
There's a few on here who genuinely believe in that ideology.
 
Kebatu was forcibly deported by giving him five hundred pounds yesterday, “his fare back”
Just reading this on BBC News now.

I know it's only 500 quid but the optics of handing an illegal migrant nonce who the government let escape a wad of cash is fucking shocking.

I know there's a lot of admin and bureaucratic reasons why that was probably the quickest and cheapest way of dealing with the **** but the headlines write themselves.
 
Just reading this on BBC News now.

I know it's only 500 quid but the optics of handing an illegal migrant nonce who the government let escape a wad of cash is fucking shocking.

I know there's a lot of admin and bureaucratic reasons why that was probably the quickest and cheapest way of dealing with the **** but the headlines write themselves.

It’s the line of we either paid it or faced an expensive law bill.

How about throw his fucking arse back into jail to finish his 12 month sentence (remember his not guilty, no remorse shown) and when he has done his time just deport the **** end of!

It’s been a disgraceful few weeks that will do nothing more than confirm to many what they are currently thinking and feeling and that is the system and politicians running it are a fucking joke.
 
It’s the line of we either paid it or faced an expensive law bill.

How about throw his fucking arse back into jail to finish his 12 month sentence (remember his not guilty, no remorse shown) and when he has done his time just deport the **** end of!

It’s been a disgraceful few weeks that will do nothing more than confirm to many what they are currently thinking and feeling and that is the system and politicians running it are a fucking joke.
The costs of throwing him in jail in the UK would be endless thousands.

It's absolutely fucked, and I say this as someone who is more sympathetic towards this government than most. I am in favour of pragmatic centrist government but the optics on this are fucking insane.
 
Just reading this on BBC News now.

I know it's only 500 quid but the optics of handing an illegal migrant nonce who the government let escape a wad of cash is fucking shocking.

I know there's a lot of admin and bureaucratic reasons why that was probably the quickest and cheapest way of dealing with the **** but the headlines write themselves.

You are aware the last Govt gave each volunteer who went to Rwanda £3k to go -also the Rwandan Govt got £151k per volunteer? As well as all the other mad costs - its funny how the media isn't making that comparison today eh?
 
You are aware the last Govt gave each volunteer who went to Rwanda £3k to go -also the Rwandan Govt got £151k per volunteer? As well as all the other mad costs - its funny how the media isn't making that comparison today eh?
It's not a zero sum, 'pick a side' game.

It's all obscene.
 
Look at the government published retirement living standards and come back to me, which clearly states 44k for a comfortable retirement for 1 person and 61k for 2 people on the grand assumption that everyone has paid off their mortgage and lives outside the south east. Thats is in todays values, so whatever you do with your pension, it needs to track inflation and be able to weather stock market downturns. Therefore you need to protect from sequence of returns risk or unlike people with a final salary scheme, you run out of money and become a burden on the state in old age. For a household income for 2 people, it assumes both people have pensions, in reality most households will have one person who was the bread winner and the other who did part time work and handled the bulk of caring responsibilities, whether that be for children or caring for elderly parents. Couple that with it only becoming mandatory to offer a pension for small employers since 2018 and you might see the problem.

Now I've been kind enough to provide you a response to your question, could you extend me the same courtesy.

Im not asking for an opinion on final salary pensions in the public sector per se, what Im asking is, if you honestly believe 40k is enough in retirement, should we cap both final salary public sector pensions at £28k (40k when combined with the state pension) along with private sector ones (so around £700k in a DC pension and mandating the buying of a life annuity).

If so fair enough, thats a valid position, if not then asking if someone needs it or not is a moot point unless you are advocating an additional tax across everyone in retirement who exceeds that income.
I think you'll find the retirement living standards are not "government published" but based on research funded by the pension providers' trade association, and based on "what the public believe is needed to retire at these three levels" (minimum/moderate/comfortable). So the more people like you they interview, the higher the "requirement" and the more like me they interview the lower the requirement.

I've no idea how a view on what people need in retirement should lead to a view that people's pensions should be capped, or how a built-up pension pot should be spent, or that there should be an "additional tax" just for pensions. Total non-sequiturs.
 
I have been taxed all my life. Why when i have bought a house improved it payed it off should my daughter be taxed?
Why should my wife and daughter be taxed on my death for a pension lump sum that goes to them?
The most money i have ever earned is 40 k a yr.Worked hard all my 40 yrs in employment never had a penny of the state never moaned about tax.As i approach my retirement have i not payed my dues?
Never had a penny off the state? Never went to school? Free health checks? Free medical treatment? Never been on a road? Lived on a dark street with no lighting? Never used subsidised public transport? You wouldn't have sent the Task Force to the Falklands? No state-funded flood defences? I won't mention the aqueducts...
 
Lest we forget


I don’t forget.

I also don’t forget those who spent every minute of their days decrying it yet here they are now, applauding similar or eerily quiet.

Chucking this fucker out isn’t my issue. It’s the farce of the last few weeks surrounding him as officials fall over themselves to look tough for the right/pander to the left and basically confirm to the public they haven’t got a fucking clue what they’re doing.
 
I don’t forget.

I also don’t forget those who spent every minute of their days decrying it yet here they are now, applauding similar or eerily quiet.

Chucking this fucker out isn’t my issue. It’s the farce of the last few weeks surrounding him as officials fall over themselves to look tough for the right/pander to the left and basically confirm to the public they haven’t got a fucking clue what they’re doing.

Deporting this guy was a one-off, just expediency.

Rwanda was a deliberate policy.
 
Deporting this guy was a one-off, just expediency.

Rwanda was a deliberate policy.

Yet Labour are making a huge noise about the amount of deportations made under them?

What changed for their supporters?
 
Yet Labour are making a huge noise about the amount of deportations made under them?

What changed for their supporters?
That's deportations of people who've had asylum applications refused - applications that the Tories had failed to deal with, hence the backlog, hence the use of hotels.
 
That's deportations of people who've had asylum applications refused - applications that the Tories had failed to deal with, hence the backlog, hence the use of hotels.

The same hotels we have been told they will completely stop using by 2030 yet are still offering contracts for way past that date?

Those hotels and this government?
 
It’s the line of we either paid it or faced an expensive law bill.

How about throw his fucking arse back into jail to finish his 12 month sentence (remember his not guilty, no remorse shown) and when he has done his time just deport the **** end of!

It’s been a disgraceful few weeks that will do nothing more than confirm to many what they are currently thinking and feeling and that is the system and politicians running it are a fucking joke.
The question for me is why five ‘guards’ accompanying him on a flight can’t keep him under control.

What sort of people are they employing to go on these flights?
 
It costs £40,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail, so the £500 is money well spent to get him fucked off on a plane back to Ethiopia.
So long as they've got his fingerprints and the facial recognition evidence to stop the fucker ever setting foot in this country again without his immediate arrest and deportation, I agree.
 
Never had a penny off the state? Never went to school? Free health checks? Free medical treatment? Never been on a road? Lived on a dark street with no lighting? Never used subsidised public transport? You wouldn't have sent the Task Force to the Falklands? No state-funded flood defences? I won't mention the aqueducts...
I wonder how much he pays a private company to empty his bins or does he go to the tip every week with a boot full of bin bags.
 
So long as they've got his fingerprints and the facial recognition evidence to stop the fucker ever setting foot in this country again without his immediate arrest and deportation, I agree.

Biometric passport reading machines are being installed on the south coast beaches as we speak.
 

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