Swansea City (A) | EFL Cup | Post Match Thread

We were obviously the better team throughout, but fuck me did we make hard work of it at times. Loose first touches at points, wayward passing sometimes, and frequent indecision in the final third as well. The first XI looked strong on paper but I think, in the end, we had too many players who "needed minutes" - that contributed to a very flat first 30 mins, during which Swansea hit us hard a couple of times and should have been 2-0 up before we got going.

Having Khusanov, Ait-Nouri, Marmoush, and Mukasa all on the pitch at once seemed to disrupt the rhythm. The patterns never really got going. We had enough quality to get through to the next round, obviously, but it felt disjointed for most of the night. I think I heard one of the commentators say that of the first XI, none of them had made more than two starts so far this season. You could tell. We looked rusty and nervous for long portions.

On the other hand, Cherki was excellent (after the first 25-30 mins anyway) after barely playing any football recently, so that bodes well for his involvement during the rest of the season. I thought Gonzalez and Doku were great. Ake played fairly well. Stones, Gvardiol, and Foden all contributed when they came on. I'm gonna give some credit to Bobb as well, who was double-marked all night yet stayed busy and never let his head drop.

Things got better after that Trafford 1-on-1 save. I think Swansea realised they'd missed their moment after that shot went wide, and their heads dropped. Based on everything after Cherki hit the post, we deserved to win. Swansea started out wanting to press high, but they dropped into a bank of five and a bank of four for the entire second half. In the end it was only a matter of time before our individual quality made the difference.

Ait-Nouri had a tough first half but found that good ball over the top of Swansea's back line for Doku's equaliser. Marmoush had a stinker but then took his goal very well. And for all that the first half saw Swansea get a couple of big chances (plus the goal), Trafford had virtually nothing to do in the second half, which shows that we did close ranks well. Helped by Gonzalez, who was a close second to Cherki for MOTM. He's obviously got something.

I also think the pitch was in a rough way last night. There was a moment in the second half when Gvardiol tried to ping one out to Bobb on the right side, but the ball just lifted off the turf before he struck it and it went out of play. The picture on Sky's stream wasn't great, so I couldn't tell, but the pitch looked like it was cutting up quite frequently and leaving behind little bundles of grass all over the place. Might have had something to do with it.
 
Aside from the shock of the Swansea goal actually hitting the net (I was behind the goal and convinced that it was going wide) we were reasonably in control and the only fear was that without Extra Time we might be heading for penalties.

However the real bonus for me was that Marmoush and Cherki were both full of desire and wanted to score goals.

I'd also mention the number of hardcore familiar faces at Swansea last night
If you don't think the Carabao Cup is worth the effort then kindly fuck off to another thread and leave us to focus on how we can beat Brentford in the next round
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Lesson from Villa game not learnt. Attacker on edge of box unmarked with midfielders not getting back.
 
Would it be absurd to compare the combination of Cherki and Marmoush for the 2nd goal at Swansea to David Silva and Kun Aguero?

A year has gone by since the demise of our 4 back to back title-winning side that was heralded by defeat at Bournemouth and 4 successive PL defeats. It would be nice if a year later we were to return with players who remind us our another recent side.

The rest of the Premier League is little more than a tribute act to Pulis's Stoke, not so Manchester City.
Lots to get excited about with cherki. Marmoush is a funny one as it’s difficult to see where he fits.
 
The new set piece coach has done sod all, our corners are woeful, we're the only team in the Premier League who hasn't scored from set piece this season.
I disagree.

The first job of the new set piece coach is to stop us conceding so often from set pieces.

The second job of the new set piece coach is to help us score more from our set pieces.

Priorities, in my opinion.
 
The majority of fans care. It's now a long established trophy which started in 1960, that's 65 years ago. For 58 years the final has been played at Wembley. There are only three domestic trophies up for grabs and that's one of them. We have a good history in it and for 35 years it was the last trophy we won. It's also the first trophy you can win in a season and if you do it can give the team momentum for a final.push if we're in competition for the other trophies. I've no idea when the snobbery around this competition started but it's bollocks. Probably when the rags and dippers were winning the title every year. The way their seasons are going I'm sure they'd take it this year, although in the dippers case they can't. Also there are no guarantees anybody is going to win one of the so called bigger trophies so if you have the chance to win the league cup you grab it.

Agreed. It never felt meaningless when we have won it in the past. I've really enjoyed some of the finals.
 
Agreed. It never felt meaningless when we have won it in the past. I've really enjoyed some of the finals.
I think it’s one of the best to win, and one to set a record of winning. I remember when we played Spurs in the quarters of the FA cup 1993 when it all kicked off. For me that was a really close call to some glory, yet it was just the quarter finals.

FF to now and we have someone saying winning the league cup is insignificant. Mental.
 
I disagree.

The first job of the new set piece coach is to stop us conceding so often from set pieces.

The second job of the new set piece coach is to help us score more from our set pieces.

Priorities, in my opinion.
Since he's only coaching our team, you'd like to think he can do both at the same time.
 
We were obviously the better team throughout, but fuck me did we make hard work of it at times. Loose first touches at points, wayward passing sometimes, and frequent indecision in the final third as well. The first XI looked strong on paper but I think, in the end, we had too many players who "needed minutes" - that contributed to a very flat first 30 mins, during which Swansea hit us hard a couple of times and should have been 2-0 up before we got going.

Having Khusanov, Ait-Nouri, Marmoush, and Mukasa all on the pitch at once seemed to disrupt the rhythm. The patterns never really got going. We had enough quality to get through to the next round, obviously, but it felt disjointed for most of the night. I think I heard one of the commentators say that of the first XI, none of them had made more than two starts so far this season. You could tell. We looked rusty and nervous for long portions.

On the other hand, Cherki was excellent (after the first 25-30 mins anyway) after barely playing any football recently, so that bodes well for his involvement during the rest of the season. I thought Gonzalez and Doku were great. Ake played fairly well. Stones, Gvardiol, and Foden all contributed when they came on. I'm gonna give some credit to Bobb as well, who was double-marked all night yet stayed busy and never let his head drop.

Things got better after that Trafford 1-on-1 save. I think Swansea realised they'd missed their moment after that shot went wide, and their heads dropped. Based on everything after Cherki hit the post, we deserved to win. Swansea started out wanting to press high, but they dropped into a bank of five and a bank of four for the entire second half. In the end it was only a matter of time before our individual quality made the difference.

Ait-Nouri had a tough first half but found that good ball over the top of Swansea's back line for Doku's equaliser. Marmoush had a stinker but then took his goal very well. And for all that the first half saw Swansea get a couple of big chances (plus the goal), Trafford had virtually nothing to do in the second half, which shows that we did close ranks well. Helped by Gonzalez, who was a close second to Cherki for MOTM. He's obviously got something.

I also think the pitch was in a rough way last night. There was a moment in the second half when Gvardiol tried to ping one out to Bobb on the right side, but the ball just lifted off the turf before he struck it and it went out of play. The picture on Sky's stream wasn't great, so I couldn't tell, but the pitch looked like it was cutting up quite frequently and leaving behind little bundles of grass all over the place. Might have had something to do with it.
Pretty fair summary that.
Swansea came out swinging and worked their bollocks off. They visibly tired as the game went on and their subs killed off any rhythm they had.
 
Re: final chat. I can't quite explain why but I have enjoyed league cup finals more than FA cup finals. But I have valued every single one, win and lose, in different ways. I think for a lot of us the match isn't a cup, it's a memory with loved ones, and being born in the mid-80s had resigned myself to playoff finals being as good as it gets until I was in my mid-20s.
 
Re: final chat. I can't quite explain why but I have enjoyed league cup finals more than FA cup finals. But I have valued every single one, win and lose, in different ways. I think for a lot of us the match isn't a cup, it's a memory with loved ones, and being born in the mid-80s had resigned myself to playoff finals being as good as it gets until I was in my mid-20s.
I remember as a 9 year old watching the 76 league cup final at a neighbours house along with half the street as they had a colour tv
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And watching in awe arguably the best ever winning goal in a cup final
 
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Agreed. It never felt meaningless when we have won it in the past. I've really enjoyed some of the finals.

I prefer it to the FA Cup. The semi finals at Wembley ruins that competition for me. I don’t think one is more prestigious than another anymore. The FA Cup was once a glorious competition. The only benefit of the Fa cup final is the weather is usually better.
 
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I prefer it to the FA Cup. The semi finals at Wembley ruins that competition for me. I don’t think one is more prestigious than another anymore. The FA Cup was once a glorious competition. The only benefit of the Fa cup final is the weather is usually better.
Blame Ken Bates for that semi at Wembley. He negotiated the deal that meant England had to play at Wembley in every match, plus all FA CUP semis at Wembley. When asked about access for England fans, he said: “Well, I will go by taxi.”
PS Bates was a crook.
 
Agreed. It never felt meaningless when we have won it in the past. I've really enjoyed some of the finals.

Lifting a trophy never does. We can all convince ourselves that winning isn't everything, that it's the taking part that matters, we just love watching football and every other cliche there is out there, but ultimately winning is what every single team strives to do. From kicking a ball about in the street with coats as goalposts we all wanted to win. If you support a small club with very little chance of winning a major trophy you still dream of promotion, winning your league and maybe, just maybe getting some investment and one day actually lifting a major trophy. Wimbledon did just that so as great as the odds are against it happening again it kept the dream alive.

As for the league cup not one Newcastle fan thought it was a nothing trophy last year after over sixty years of winning nothing. Everytime the final whistle went at Wembley and we'd won it I felt immense joy and pride. A trophy is a trophy and every single club and it's fans who entered the competition look at the team that wins it as they lift the cup and wishes it was them.
 

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