What has the UK become under the far right influence?

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Those people on the phone-ins you mention are out-of-order.

Or simply planted there by the producers to spark a public response? The click bait equivalent for the radio listener.

 

[jacko74]

These are the kids who will be paying taxes that will fund your care when you’re no longer able to wipe your own arse.

I doubt it.

It's far more likely they'll follow the example set by their parents and be net takers from the system.

 

[blueparrot]

Well given the number of people gaming the system by CHOOSING to work minimal part-time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits... there must be a hell of a lot kids out there who were unplanned accidents.

So which is your go to for all this information, Mail or Express? Capitalising random words in sentence gives it away., well that and your views.

 

[jacko74]

So which is your go to for all this information, Mail or Express? Capitalising random words in sentence gives it away., well that and your views.

They're not my views, they're facts. I'm guessing you don't live in the real world so you possibly haven't witnessed people using benefits as a lifestyle choice.

Sometimes you have to emphasise a point for the hard of thinking via the use of capitals.

You dropped a bollock by not calling it the Daily Heil though, you've missed out on some valuable social media virtue signalling brownie points there.

 

[blueparrot]

They're not my views, they're facts. I'm guessing you don't live in the real world so you possibly haven't witnessed people using benefits as a lifestyle choice.

Sometimes you have to emphasise a point for the hard of thinking via the use of capitals.

You dropped a bollock by not calling it the Daily Heil though, you've missed out on some valuable social media virtue signalling brownie points there.

You believing it doesn't make it facts just your black and white version of hundreds maybe thousands of different situations. Yet you judge everyones situation with one broad generalised brushstroke. Me I prefer to treat people as I find them.
No capitalising is shouting, something those lacking the intelligence to explain themselves properly do.

 

[jacko74]

You believing it doesn't make it facts just your black and white version of hundreds maybe thousands of different situations. Yet you judge everyones situation with one broad generalised brushstroke. Me I prefer to treat people as I find them.
No capitalising is shouting, something those lacking the intelligence to explain themselves properly do.

I don't need to "believe" anything... I've witnessed it first hand.

I can only speak as I find and in my own personal lived experience every single person I've known who's been in receipt of "in work" benefits have deliberately limiting the number of hours they work and claiming them through choice.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Both of them?

 

[oldius]

Any thread involving discussions about immigration will show the influence of the far-right. We are a divided society, with nuance sacrificed for black and white analysis, a lack of attention and a refusal to look at any information that contradicts previously held beliefs. Discussions about Israel/Palestine are the same.

Tonight, I hear that Michael Gove is hosting a meeting of Reform and Conservative MPs. Tice and Braverman are there, unsurprisingly They have invited journalists from GB News too. There is no doubt that they will create and distribute bile for their own ends.

 

[blueinsa]

Any thread involving discussions about immigration will show the influence of the far-right. We are a divided society, with nuance sacrificed for black and white analysis, a lack of attention and a refusal to look at any information that contradicts previously held beliefs. Discussions about Israel/Palestine are the same.

Tonight, I hear that Michael Gove is hosting a meeting of Reform and Conservative MPs. Tice and Braverman are there, unsurprisingly They have invited journalists from GB News too. There is no doubt that they will create and distribute bile for their own ends.

You make it out to be a right wing only issue and that is very clearly false.

The Greens aside, every single mainstream party has said illegal immigration is an issue that has to be dealt with and the current government, the Labour Party is implementing policy that had it been the Tories in charge would have had many in here up in arms.

We are about to face a budget that will either involve more cuts to services or tax rises against all promises, probably a mixture of both and whether you or others like it or not, that won’t sit with the majority of the electorate who can see untold £billions being spent on immigration and asylum.

 

[oldius]

You make it out to be a right wing only issue and that is very clearly false.

The Greens aside, every single mainstream party has said illegal immigration is an issue that has to be dealt with and the current government, the Labour Party is implementing policy that has it been the Tories in charge would have had many in here up in arms.

We are about to face a budget that will either involve more cuts to services or tax rises against all promises, probably a mixture of both and whether you or others like it or not, that won’t sit with the majority of the electorate who can see untold £billions being spent on immigration and asylum.

The right have demonised immigrants for generations. They use it to hide cuts to services that they then blame on those immigrants. The narrative is then set and it forces everyone to debate it. If Labour had any balls they would sort out safe and legal routes and be honest that illegal immigration counts for 1% of all immigration. How then does it seem to occupy 100% of discussions on the topic?

A Reform MP was asked to make points without mentioning immigration recently and he could not do it. It was embarrassing and showed how intellectually weak he was and how utterly limited his party is.
I truly despair at what this nation is under their influence and the lies of the former government.

 

[blueinsa]

If Labour had any balls they would sort out safe and legal routes and be honest that illegal immigration counts for 1% of all immigration. How then does it seem to occupy 100% of discussions on the topic?

Yet they won’t and ask yourself why?

For the answer to why it’s 100% of the discussions see the eye watering bill we are all footing for what you say is a tiny issue.

Personally I think the tiny issue line, well worn no doubt just no longer flies.

 

[jacko74]

The right have demonised immigrants for generations. They use it to hide cuts to services that they then blame on those immigrants. The narrative is then set and it forces everyone to debate it. If Labour had any balls they would sort out safe and legal routes and be honest that illegal immigration counts for 1% of all immigration. How then does it seem to occupy 100% of discussions on the topic?

A Reform MP was asked to make points without mentioning immigration recently and he could not do it. It was embarrassing and showed how intellectually weak he was and how utterly limited his party is.
I truly despair at what this nation is under their influence and the lies of the former government.

Exactly.

The whole "illegals" and "small boats" narrative is just a deliberate, manufactured distraction ploy to wind up the morons and simpletons on both the Far Right and the Liberal Left.

Illegal immigration is statistically irrelevant (even though it does still cost the taxpayers billions per year)... it's just being used to draw attention away from the real issues and the disastrous consequences of mass immigration on the whole.

 

[bluethrunthru]

ha ha ha ha - has it become unemployed?

 

[oldius]

Yet they won’t and ask yourself why?

For the answer to why it’s 100% of the discussions see the eye watering bill we are all footing for what you say is a tiny issue.

Personally I think the tiny issue line, well worn no doubt just no longer flies.

The bill could be wiped out very easily indeed by dealing with the wholesale tax avoidance committed by billionaires and party donors, as well as companies routing profits through tax havens. Hell, that patriotic rag, The Daily Mail, is owned by a non-dom through a network of trusts, and GB News through a Dubai investment company. This tiny issue is blown out of all proportion BY THEM!

 

[blueinsa]

The bill could be wiped out very easily indeed by dealing with the wholesale tax avoidance committed by billionaires and party donors, as well as companies routing profits through tax havens. Hell, that patriotic rag, The Daily Mail, is owned by a non-dom through a network of trusts, and GB News through a Dubai investment company. This tiny issue is blown out of all proportion BY THEM!

Completely separate issue.

 

[oldius]

Completely separate issue.

They'd like it to be.

Here's why it isn't: comfortable people being able to afford their lives and in receipt of strong public services have no issue with immigrants. Struggling people who are paid a pittance by their employer who routes profits through tax havens, who cannot afford to get to work and then cannot see a doctor, are forced to pay an arm and a leg for social care, and whose children cannot access youth services, will believe that others are to blame - and those avoiding their contributions tell them its a man in a rubber boat.

 

[blueinsa]

They'd like it to be.

Here's why it isn't: comfortable people being able to afford their lives and in receipt of strong public services have no issue with immigrants. Struggling people who are paid a pittance by their employer who routes profits through tax havens, who cannot afford to get to work and then cannot see a doctor, are forced to pay an arm and a leg for social care, and whose children cannot access youth services, will believe that others are to blame - and those avoiding their contributions tell them its a man in a rubber boat.

The “rolled out lecture” no longer works.

Hence we now see Labour and even the Lib Dem’s saying enough is enough.

I’m all in favour btw of dealing with what you said but not at the expense of ignoring the sky rocketing costs of asylum and immigration and the societal issues it’s bringing.

 

[jacko74]

We should definitely impose a 90% wealth tax on every billionaire in the UK.

At current rates of expenditure the money gained would easily cover the costs of a profligate and out of control benefits system AND the many and varied costs associated with immigration for at least two weeks, maybe even three.

 

[oldius]

The “rolled out lecture” no longer works.

Hence we now see Labour and even the Lib Dem’s saying enough is enough.

I’m all in favour btw of dealing with what you said but not at the expense of ignoring the sky rocketing costs of asylum and immigration and the societal issues it’s bringing.

As I said earlier, the divisions are deep and positions cemented so that people will not listen to opinions that differ from their own. What you describe as a lecture, so it is easily dismissed, is actually truth that you do not wish to countenance.

Speedy processing, sacrificed at the altar of bigotry by the last government, would allow people to get to work thus radically reducing the cost of accommodation. There is the solution, not demonising people.

 

[blueinsa]

As I said earlier, the divisions are deep and positions cemented so that people will not listen to opinions that differ from their own. What you describe as a lecture, so it is easily dismissed, is actually truth that you do not wish to countenance.

Speedy processing, sacrificed at the altar of bigotry by the last government, would allow people to get to work thus radically reducing the cost of accommodation. There is the solution, not demonising people.

The working class of this nation has had enough of low skilled, low paid immigration driving down their standard of living.

It’s those very communities that have to live with the day to day impacts and no amount of telling them they’re wrong or racist is working anymore.

You make some decent points about putting right all that is wrong so how about busting the corporate bubble that has got us to the point of desperately needing the numbers willing to accept the bare minimum?