Swansea City (A) | EFL Cup | Post Match Thread

paulchapo said:
As for the league cup not one Newcastle fan thought it was a nothing trophy last year after over sixty years of winning nothing. Everytime the final whistle went at Wembley and we'd won it I felt immense joy and pride. A trophy is a trophy and every single club and it's fans who entered the competition look at the team that wins it as they lift the cup and wishes it was them.
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Quite so. And not one Palace fan thought it was nothing to have won the FA Cup, regardless of the manner in which they did it. It was the first trophy in their entire history. And the feelgood factor it's created seems to have bled into this season and allowed them to kick on. Both domestic cups count, hugely, and anyone who says they don't when hated rivals win them is just consoling themselves ineffectively.
 
pride in battle said:
Was it live on tv ? Don't think it was ?
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It was in Ireland. I watched it in boarding school in Cork surrounded by fans of pretty much every other club. And when Tueart's overhead went in, I jumped on the desks ( it was a classroom) and just fucking lost it...:) Happy daze. Well the match, not fucking boarding school...
 
No injuries.

In the next round. Home draw too.

Minutes into legs that needed them.

A run out in the first team for a top academy prospect. He was not the worst player we had on the field and will have learned shitloads from that match, both from his team mates and from the opposition.

A few things for Pep to work on, both at team and individual level.

That is good enough for me.
 
BongoBlue said:
It was in Ireland. I watched it in boarding school in Cork surrounded by fans of pretty much every other club. And when Tueart's overhead went in, I jumped on the desks ( it was a classroom) and just fucking lost it...:) Happy daze. Well the match, not fucking boarding school...
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Tell me about it. Boarding school from 7 to 16 (when I took A levels and got the fuck out). I did pretty much the same thing when Nelly Young's goal went in in ’69.
Can't remember how I was even able to see that live, but I did. No television allowed except on Saturday nights for two hours or so. I think I asked one of the day boys who was also a football fan — not of City, I was the only one in my house, possibly in the entire school — if I could go round to his folks’ place.
 
JGL07 said:
Quite a lot of us do care. Those of us who have been watching City before 2008 will recall that it was the often the League Cup that provided the best hope of silverware.

That sort of arrogance is more in line with supporters of our more entitled opponents.
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Cheers.

I started routing for City in late 2009 or early 2010. And I'm an American. I do not have this pre-2010 history of City in mind.

As for, "that sort of arrogance is more in line with supporters of our more entitled opponents"... are you really happy with a side that qualifies for the CL and wins the League Cup?
 
paulchapo said:
The majority of fans care. It's now a long established trophy which started in 1960, that's 65 years ago. For 58 years the final has been played at Wembley. There are only three domestic trophies up for grabs and that's one of them. We have a good history in it and for 35 years it was the last trophy we won. It's also the first trophy you can win in a season and if you do it can give the team momentum for a final.push if we're in competition for the other trophies. I've no idea when the snobbery around this competition started but it's bollocks. Probably when the rags and dippers were winning the title every year. The way their seasons are going I'm sure they'd take it this year, although in the dippers case they can't. Also there are no guarantees anybody is going to win one of the so called bigger trophies so if you have the chance to win the league cup you grab it.
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Cheers.

Pep is playing a strong side every game in this competition - unlike Liverfail. So our club does care about this competition.
 
CC1 said:
All city fans care - well those that supported the club when we won nothing. It’s one of the 3 main trophies and should not be compared with the charity shield - albeit you can only win that if you’ve just won the PL or the FA cup.
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>> 3 main trophies...
P/L title IMO is more important.
C/L IMO is more important.
FA Cup IMO is more important.
And Club WC - given the new format - is more important - although this now does not occur every year.

For me, and though you may disagree, the League Cup is 5th best... and to be honest - seems duplicative of the FA cup but with less prestige.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
>> 3 main trophies...
P/L title IMO is more important.
C/L IMO is more important.
FA Cup IMO is more important.
And Club WC - given then new format - is more important - although this now does not occur every year.

For me, and though you may disagree, the League Cup is 5th best.
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Fine - I’m happy to agree to disagree but your summary above conflicts somewhat with your initial statement that provoked this discussion ie

Winning this trophy is meaningless
 
CC1 said:
Fine - I’m happy to agree to disagree but your summary above conflicts somewhat with your initial statement that provoked this discussion ie

Winning this trophy is meaningless
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Cheers. Hyperbole on my part.

Yet, in that context, any trophy whatsoever isn't "meaningless" - including the Community Shield. Yes the CS is a trophy - but no side seems to take this game seriously - instead putting out sides designed to evaluate players.

The League Cup is an actual tournament and City do take this competition seriously... but for me... it's a 5th most important tournament competition... if we win the League Cup - OK -and if we don't - also OK - I personally don't rate the success or failure of a season based on how well we perform in the League Cup.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Cheers. Hyperbole on my part.

Yet, in that context, any trophy whatsoever isn't "meaningless" - including the Community Shield. Yes the CS is a trophy - but no side seems to take this game seriously - instead putting out sides designed to evaluate players.

The League Cup is an actual tournament and City do take this competition seriously... but for me... it's a 5th most important tournament competition... if we win the League Cup - OK -and if we don't - also OK - I personally don't rate the success or failure of a season based on how well we perform in the League Cup.
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I certainly wouldn't count it as a satisfying season if that was all we did. I suppose Tottenham, finishing 17th in their league — just above the drop zone, that is — and winning the Europa League, considered theirs to be a successful season. We should be well beyond that. I'd love to see us lift the League Cup. But in itself it's not enough.
But just a little question, and I put this to you equably, not aggressively. Have you attended a final in which City were involved at Wembley? If you have, you will have seen and felt the nervousness on the train going up to Wembley Park or Wembley Central. The build-up, the sense of anticipation, that whistle for k.o. The utter euphoria when you see men in sky blue shirts lifting that trophy. The devastation when they don't (I felt that as recently as last May, against Crystal Palace). It is not like any league match, even the biggest against the rags and the dippers.

The first finals I attended at Wembley did not even involve City, i.e. Chelsea against Leeds United. There used to be a poor old geezer who would stand on a rostrum — I don't even know who he was, to be honest — and lead the crowd, with his quavery voice, in a rendition of “Abide With Me”. That song is not even about football. It is what is called a memento mori. The whole crowd, more or less, singing a song about the fact that we all have to die, but we should stand together before we do. Goosebumps — full body goosebumps — every time. Even as a teenager…

It is obviously not easy to cross an ocean for a football match. But if you can — and I say this benignly — try your damnedest to get a ticket for the final of the League Cup, or the F.A. Cup, if City are in either. You will see and understand why it counts so much to the ordinary supporter.
 
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In his first build, Pep used the League Cup as a way of team bonding and keeping the squad players very happy
We went on to win it 4 in a row and that turned us into a hungry monster club and winning titles and cups at a drop of a hat,

I can see little signs that we are doing the same thing in this rebuild and if that means Pep is staying on to oversee this project then its another 5 to 10 years more of Pep at the club
 
Over the 62 years that I have watched City matches I have attended every League Cup Final they have been involved with apart from the 2021 Spurs lockdown match. That is eight finals attended and seven being won, Wolves in 1974 being the exception.

I wonder if Guardiola will put out a stronger team against Brentford? Generally when City have made the semi-final, they have put out competitive teams and gone on to win. That could happen this year.
 
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