Epstein / Andrew Mountbatten Windsor / Maxwell

[crublue1]

Hopefully they still intend to, should let Joe n Josephine public in on such findings n'all, like they do with the Sovereign Grant (Civil List in old money)

A "tabloid led debate" and "painful annual discussion"
Says everything really.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

Andy is now in digs on a par with those occupied by Ghislaine Maxwell, though both are too comfortable. Virginia Giuffre, from the grave, brought him down. She's working on doing the same to DT and other convicts in waiting.

 

[crublue1]

Andy is now in digs on a par with those occupied by Ghislaine Maxwell, though both are too comfortable. Virginia Giuffre, from the grave, brought him down. She's working on doing the same to DT and other convicts in waiting.

Unfortunately she's not brought him down. He's lost a title or two, that's all. He won't give a fuck.
He will carry on living his life of luxury, regardless, and people will still serve him, bow down to him, even knowing what a **** of a man he is.
He'll show no shame, won't apologise, won't explain.
He's an excellent example of the worst of humanity, the kind of person we should shun in normal society, let alone a so called Royal.
If he lived on a council estate he'd have been sussed out and cornered years ago.
He'd have been sweating then, no doubt.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

He will carry on living his life of luxury, regardless, and people will still serve him, bow down to him, even knowing what a **** of a man he is.
He'll show no shame, won't apologise, won't explain.

There's a guy like that in Washington D.C. too.

 

[crublue1]

There's a guy like that in Washington D.C. too.

There's plenty of the cunts hiding in plain sight, including that twat, who will get what's deserved eventually.
Fucking makes me sick.

 

[oldius]

Charles - affair, friendship with Savile.
Camila - affair.
Andrew - sex with trafficked minors, friendship with convicted sex offenders.
Philip - affairs
Mountbatten - Irish children's homes
Anne - multiple affairs
Elizabeth - hush money payments
William - allegations of affairs

This is not a family to look up to, never mind to respect.

Against this, I look at the abuse of Harry and Meghan and wonder what the hell they are supposed to have done; well done to them for walking away from the abuse they receive.

The Epstein list needs to be released because I suspect many very rich and very powerful paedophiles are hiding behind Storm Andrew.

 

[JASR]

Thread title needs a word struck through…

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Disgusting comment.

She’s got to bear some responsibility, surely.

 

[Lavinda Past]

She’s got to bear some responsibility, surely.

I thought she was called Elizabeth. Was Shirley a nickname?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I respected our queen until she paid hush money to protect that ****.
I understand mothers want to deny their sons are wrong uns, but to use our money to shush her up was unforgivable, and she will always be remembered for that.

Guiffre wasn’t forced to take the money. If all she’d wanted was her day in court she would have had it. So it’s not quite as straightforward as you paint it. The trial would have been a disaster for the Queen’s family whatever the outcome, and whatever the veracity of the claim, so I don’t think what she did was unforgivable. I’d have done the same in her shoes I think, as it probably represented the least worst option. Human beings will always look after their own, including you and me mate.

Think she can be criticised for lots of things when it comes to Andrew but that claim was always going to settle.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I thought she was called Elizabeth. Was Shirley a nickname?

Lilibet, surely…

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Charles - affair, friendship with Savile.
Camila - affair.
Andrew - sex with trafficked minors, friendship with convicted sex offenders.
Philip - affairs
Mountbatten - Irish children's homes
Anne - multiple affairs
Elizabeth - hush money payments
William - allegations of affairs

This is not a family to look up to, never mind to respect.

Against this, I look at the abuse of Harry and Meghan and wonder what the hell they are supposed to have done; well done to them for walking away from the abuse they receive.

The Epstein list needs to be released because I suspect many very rich and very powerful paedophiles are hiding behind Storm Andrew.

Strange this admiration as i'm pretty certain they've never disavowed the monarchy.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Release those files and watch the powerful shit themselves in America, I’d love the next White House press conference to ask Trump to release the files after this, what are you afraid of DJT!

 

[RiversideBlue]

He should now be addressed as 'The nonce formerly known as prince"

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've not read all this thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed.

But I am troubled by the treatment of Andrew. Not because I am a fan of his. Far from it - I gather he's not a particularly nice bloke irrespective of his involvement with Epstein and the Virginia Giuffre scandal.

But in our generally civilised country, we work on the basis of innocent until proven guilty. People accused of crimes are judged either by magistrates or by a jury, and in the absence of any such trial or guilty verdict, they are by definition innocent.

Andrew is innocent of any crime relating to Epstein or Giuffre. This fact may not sit comfortably with his many detractors, but it is the case.

It cannot be right that anyone - prince or otherwise - is hounded out of their home and stripped of their wealth or possessions by an angry mob baying for blood. No matter how much we may be convinced "well he did do it, didn't he". Rightly we don't do kangaroo courts in the UK.

So the way the media in particular have gone after him, I find troubling. He maintains throughout that he has done nothing wrong, and we have no idea whether that is true or not. Yes his paying off Giuffre looks bad. But we should not assume that is indicative of guilt. As @gordondaviesmoustache points out, there's other reasons why the royal family may have thought that was preferable to a public spectacle in court. And whether it does or it doesn't, the fact remains he is innocent under the law.

<Stands back and awaits the inevitable abuse from the usual suspects. Tommy Robinson will likely be mentioned.>

 

[Trickyblues]

I've not read all this thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed.

But I am troubled by the treatment of Andrew. Not because I am a fan of his. Far from it - I gather he's not a particularly nice bloke irrespective of his involvement with Epstein and the Virginia Giuffre scandal.

But in our generally civilised country, we work on the basis of innocent until proven guilty. People accused of crimes are judged either by magistrates or by a jury, and in the absence of any such trial or guilty verdict, they are by definition innocent.

Andrew is innocent of any crime relating to Epstein or Giuffre. This fact may not sit comfortably with his many detractors, but it is the case.

It cannot be right that anyone - prince or otherwise - is hounded out of their home and stripped of their wealth or possessions by an angry mob baying for blood. No matter how much we may be convinced "well he did do it, didn't he". Rightly we don't do kangaroo courts in the UK.

So the way the media in particular have gone after him, I find troubling. He maintains throughout that he has done nothing wrong, and we have no idea whether that is true or not. Yes his paying off Giuffre looks bad. But we should not assume that is indicative of guilt. As @gordondaviesmoustache points out, there's other reasons why the royal family may have thought that was preferable to a public spectacle in court. And whether it does or it doesn't, the fact remains he is innocent under the law.

<Stands back and awaits the inevitable abuse from the usual suspects. Tommy Robinson will likely be mentioned.>

Just one question: did you have the same sympathy for Harry and Meghan? They’ve been treated worse.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just one question: did you have the same sympathy for Harry and Meghan? They’ve been treated worse.

When you say worse, do you mean in a way that is less deserving? Because that’s unquestionably correct, but I’m not sure they’ve been subject to more negative comment (without there being any conviction or judicial finding) than Andrew which I think was @Chippy_boy point.

I feel there is a difference fwiw.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Charles - affair, friendship with Savile.
Camila - affair.
Andrew - sex with trafficked minors, friendship with convicted sex offenders.
Philip - affairs
Mountbatten - Irish children's homes
Anne - multiple affairs
Elizabeth - hush money payments
William - allegations of affairs

This is not a family to look up to, never mind to respect.

Against this, I look at the abuse of Harry and Meghan and wonder what the hell they are supposed to have done; well done to them for walking away from the abuse they receive.

The Epstein list needs to be released because I suspect many very rich and very powerful paedophiles are hiding behind Storm Andrew.

And a Villa fan! No alleged. Seen in plain sight cheerin' 'em on!

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I find it amusing that Andrew’s new name is Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, giver Mountbatten’s alleged desire for teenage boys……

 

[Trickyblues]

When you say worse, do you mean in a way that is less deserving? Because that’s unquestionably correct, but I’m not sure they’ve been subject to more negative comment (without there being any conviction or judicial finding) than Andrew which I think was @Chippy_boy point.

I feel there is a difference fwiw.

They have. I’ve witnessed it for almost 10 years, and it’s still going on now.
Meanwhile Andrew was protected until about 3 weeks ago.