The RSF, The UAE and the killings in Sudan

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

I think we know what colour hats they wear as well mate :-)

From my whole 20 min research into this so far the US and UAE have been mentioned. What is Russia and Chinas stance and influence in Sudan?

They could be involved but the whole "They are all involved" line of argument just seems lazy or as a way of justifying the role of the UAE in this mess. There's no evidence of Russia or China being major players in the ethnic killings in Sudan, however, There's a mountain of evidence showing the involvement of the UAE.

 

[blueinsa]

They could be involved but the whole "They are all involved" line of argument just seems lazy or as a way of justifying the role of the UAE in this mess. There's no evidence of Russia or China being major players in the ethnic killings in Sudan, however, There's a mountain of evidence showing the involvement of the UAE.

The Wagner group supports the RSF.

That’s Russia.

Chinas interests are mainly economical tbf but they are still direct influences in the region.

I don’t justify anyone’s role in what is going on, I just want to point out who exactly is involved.

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

Some real low blow points scoring here. Poor

 

[Salford in the City]

Where have I laid it at Mansour’s door? I don’t seem intent on anything other than raising an issue I think our fanbase should start to consider.

All I’ve said is that he’s not just some businessman from UAE, he’s the Deputy Prime Minister and Vice President of the govt there and he’s the one linked to our club so he should be the topic of conversation with our fanbase.

I do think this is something our fanbase should start look at even if it makes them uncomfortable, and not just blame the media, rival fans and bots on social media for bringing it up.

I used to sweep this under the carpet myself, but maybe it’s time we stopped doing that as a fanbase?

Ok, so after we consider it, what's the next step?

Demonstrations against the guy who saved us?

 

[.db.]

as somebody else said WHY is it our fanbase and our fanbase alone that must consider political situations happening in other countries, for as long as the uae has been in existence saudi arabia have long been considered the elephant in the room and nothing passes through without their tacit agreement should newcastle also be considering this situation.

Both the owners or the rags and chelsea are staunch republicans and have donated heavily to the party, should they be concerned or implicated in the shitshow and reintegration of the testing of nuclear weapons that trump has signed off or is that okay?

What exactly are we sweeping under the carpet here, do you want the fanbase to actively go against the owner because he potentially could be implicated in atrocities in a foreign country with no solid evidence apart from media fanfare if you go digging hard enough that he had any hand in this apart from his government held position? if thats the case then every single pl fan under every single pl club best start campaigns against their owners because none of them are whiter than white and if you think billionaires play no part in influencing government policy then i have some magic beans you can buy.

What you’ve said there is exactly the sort of thing I used to say about it. Almost word for word. I used to say that the Guardian were anti-Emirati wankers for bringing it up and used to tell other fanbases on X to worry about their own owners.

But, as time passes, I’m beginning to think that maybe I’m wrong and it is more serious than I’ve given it importance of being, and maybe we should look into this more as a fanbase and not just deflect away from it.

I’m not saying we should have been outside the Etihad protesting about this over the years, but simply that we should just maybe be considering it more.

Mansour and the UAE are more important to us than the goings on at other fanbases because they have direct association with the CFG. It’s more a case of owning our own issue than bring up the possible issues with other clubs (although Newcastle did have a section of their fanbase who did protest against their Saudi Arabia takeover).

I brought this topic up in the Middle East thread a bit ago and only one poster replied to me in a thread full of many posters with staunch moral viewpoints, which says a lot. So I can see why football fans who aren’t even arsed about foreign politics wouldn’t pay it any attention.

 

[mancboy]

What you’ve said there is exactly the sort of thing I used to say about it. Almost word for word. I used to say that the Guardian were anti-Emirati wankers for bringing it up and used to tell other fanbases on X to worry about their own owners.

But, as time passes, I’m beginning to think that maybe I’m wrong and it is more serious than I’ve given it importance of being, and maybe we should look into this more as a fanbase and not just deflect away from it.

I’m not saying we should have been outside the Etihad protesting about this over the years, but simply that we should just maybe be considering it more.

Mansour and the UAE are more important to us than the goings on at other fanbases because they have direct association with the CFG. It’s more a case of owning our own issue than being up the possible issues with other clubs (although Newcastle did have a section of their fanbase who did protest against their Saudi Arabia takeover).

I brought this topic up in the Middle East thread a bit ago and only one poster replied to me in a thread full of many posters with staunch moral viewpoints, which says a lot. So I can see why football fans who aren’t even arsed about foreign politics wouldn’t pay it any attention.

But what you are saying is that for other owners and fanbases it is more than possible to separate politics and business but for our fanbase it is not, why not?

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Some real low blow points scoring here. Poor

So far we have had the "Why aren't you also talking about this situation" and the "well, we aren't the only ones doing it" argument. A clear reflection of how the world is today

 

[blueinsa]

So far we have had the "Why aren't you also talking about this situation" and the "well, we aren't the only ones doing it" argument. A clear reflection of how the world is today

If you only want to discuss half of the picture then crack on.

 

[blueinsa]

The core issue is that numerous members of Bashir’s former Islamist establishment have regained influence, and Burhan has once again opened the door to Iran.

Don’t mention Iran mate ffs, the locals will get upset with you.

 

[.db.]

But what you are saying is that for other owners and fanbases it is more than possible to separate politics and business but for our fanbase it is not, why not?

That’s what you’re saying I’m saying, but I’ve not actually said that.

 

[yerwot?]

Instead of posters trying to score points, surely this is down to the extent of media coverage? I think the reason why there isn't as much "concern" about this is simply because it's not headline news in the UK every day and therefore many people are unaware. Channel 4 News is our news channel of choice at home and they have been reporting on what's going on in Sudan to be fair but not to the same extent as Gaza. Flip the extent of the coverage around and there would be a lot more concern. Just like when the Ethiopian famine hit the main BBC News headlines in 1984, all of a sudden millions of people became aware and sat up and took notice. Same with the Rwandan genocide in 1994. So to say people care more about Palestinians or people don't care much about Africans is simplistic. If you want to lay the blame at anyone's door, don't go blaming Joe Public - blame the media for their lack of coverage of certain atrocities.

msm rely on headlines that are agenda-driven, not plain news.Not reporting on specific events is an even more effective weapon of mass distraction. The toxic influence of religion and vested interests that own the media is not new. Before the internet it went unchallenged, now, despite the bots and AI powered gagging and total blackouts in certain countries, events such as Sudan and Gaza, even the US leak out, for now anyway.....what a fuckin' world we are leaving to our offsprings.....

 

[mancboy]

What you’ve said there is exactly the sort of thing I used to say about it. Almost word for word. I used to say that the Guardian were anti-Emirati wankers for bringing it up and used to tell other fanbases on X to worry about their own owners.

But, as time passes, I’m beginning to think that maybe I’m wrong and it is more serious than I’ve given it importance of being, and maybe we should look into this more as a fanbase and not just deflect away from it.

I’m not saying we should have been outside the Etihad protesting about this over the years, but simply that we should just maybe be considering it more.

Mansour and the UAE are more important to us than the goings on at other fanbases because they have direct association with the CFG. It’s more a case of owning our own issue than bring up the possible issues with other clubs (although Newcastle did have a section of their fanbase who did protest against their Saudi Arabia takeover).

I brought this topic up in the Middle East thread a bit ago and only one poster replied to me in a thread full of many posters with staunch moral viewpoints, which says a lot. So I can see why football fans who aren’t even arsed about foreign politics wouldn’t pay it any attention.

Well you absolutely are saying that, why are our owners as BUSINESSMAN more important to us than any other BUSINESSMEN owners of other clubs, because one has a government position, do you honestly believe that all these billionaire owners of other clubs have nothing to do with any politics and steer completely clear, so once again i ask why is it more important that our fanbase look into this than it is for any other fanbase to look into their ownerships influence into political matters in their own countries.

 

[Earlyriser]

Doubtless the Glazers have been making substantial donations to the Israeli cause

 

[.db.]

Ok, so after we consider it, what's the next step?

Demonstrations against the guy who saved us?

I’ve not thought that far ahead. But is it not worth thinking about and discussing? Should we just ignore it because Mansour bought us when we were in a precarious financial situation and in the subsequent 17 years we’ve done very well off the back if his investment?

I’m not much of a demonstrator, myself. Most of the time I think protests (and strikes) target the wrong people. The only protest I’ve ever got involved in was the 1894 led ticketing and prices protest at the end of last season where I didn’t take to my seat until 6 and 9 minutes into games a few times.

But I’m just not sure we should have ignored this in the way we have over the years. Maybe we should try and learn more about it, Mansour’s involvement in it… consider how it makes our club and fanbase look in our connection to him and the way we have ignored it, rather than ignoring it.

Instead of me rolling my eyes at a local hotel housing Sudanese asylum seekers and how wedding receptions, 50th birthday parties and Christmas dos can’t be held there anymore, maybe I should be rolling my eyes at the UAE govt and wonder how much our majority shareholder is involved in it.

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

To be honest, this is something that is very much swept under the carpet with our fanbase with regards to our majority shareholder.

You only have to look at the Middle East thread on this website to see that many City fans have a strongly passionate voice of morality around our govt’s involvement with Israel and what Israel have been doing in Gaza, yet our fanbase are almost completely silent around Mansour being the Deputy Prime Minister and Vice President of UAE and seeing their involvement in Sudan and Yemen.

Could you imagine what we’d say to Rags if the Glasers were into some appalling murderous shit?

Great, a moral champion.

Perhaps you should read up on who is behind the appalling murderous shit, namely USA, UK, France and several more nations. UAE and Saudi involvement is nearly always at the behest of these nations with obviously their own shared interests, and with various Iran and Russian interests represented on opposing groups for their shared interests, not to mention the many religious groups involved.

Could also look at where the weapons come from and which countries supply them, you will never guess who!

Anyhow, you can post to your hearts content in the various threads which deal with the above, so kindly fuck off from this one.

 

[west didsblue]

Personally, I lay the blame on General Gordon, Lord Kitchener and El Madhi .
They left a really tangled web when they left Sudan in the 19th century.

Don’t forget Corporal Jones who was there fighting the “fuzzy wuzzies”.

 

[mexico1970]

Great, a moral champion.

Perhaps you should read up on who is behind the appalling murderous shit, namely USA, UK, France and several more nations. UAE and Saudi involvement is nearly always at the behest of these nations with obviously their own shared interests, and with various Iran and Russian interests represented on opposing groups for their shared interests, not to mention the many religious groups involved.

Could also look at where the weapons come from and which countries supply them, you will never guess who!

Anyhow, you can post to your hearts content in the various threads which deal with the above, so kindly fuck off from this one.

 

[The blue phantom]

Behind everything there is money and power and if one can get away with a bit of ethnic cleansing then all the better.
Who can come to the rescue of the Sudanese people? Who can call out the arming of these despots?
The yanks? Us? With our current shenanigans?
No one has a white hat.

If there's no one coming to the aid of the Palestinian people the folk from Dafur have fucks chance.

 

[The blue phantom]

If you only want to discuss half of the picture then crack on.

But its a thread about the atrocities in Dafur which our owners. Yes owners are complicit in.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Geo politics is a ****.

Various nations thirst for power and control.

Thank you OP for highlighting these shameful actions by so called human beings on other humans.

No wonder so many peoples heads are fucked.