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The Future’s Blue! said:
As I said, I drive past your posts as you’ve made it quite clear that you see certain people as ‘vermin’ and cannot accept anything other than your own twisted narrative.

Just to confirm, no migrants, no welfare, but better conditions for those of UK descent.

Reform? Did you also vote Brexit, of the elderly type and once voted Conservative.

No more needs to be said from me.
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Scousers?
 
west didsblue said:
Based on previous discussions with you where you proudly boasted about getting by on not much more than £100 per week, I suspect you’ve had very limited exposure to real life. You also presumably don’t pay tax so you’re a net recipient from the state which doesn’t put you in a great position to pontificate about feckless spongers.
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I'm quite happy to admit that I could be described as being a member of the parasitic rentier class given that I do indeed live off unearned investment income, I do however certainly pay tax still, in many, many different ways that you obviously don't understand.. it doesn't mean I'd like to see the situation change, especially for those who benefit from it FAR more than I do or ever could.

I still don't understand why you find it so unbelievable that living off not much more than £100 a week is possible, but I suppose not everyone can be financially competent and responsible.
 
jacko74 said:
So you think the feckless breeders don't circumvent the notional "2 child cap" by timing their breeding programme?.. That's if they've not already managed to circumvent that cap via getting their offspring diagnosed with this weeks newly invented "SEN" or "neuro-divergence" disorder.

It's really sweet that you have such child like, wide eyed innocence and naivety. I suppose really it must make life very simple for you.
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As a father of a neuro-diverse child who attends a SEND school, I take offence at your frankly disgusting fucking remarks.
 
hampshireblue said:
Well you've pretty much managed to have a go at everybody over the last 2 days, from immigrants, anybody working in the public sector, feckless parents, lazy youngsters... anyone who doesn't agree with you is not in the real world.

The problem is you really do lump everyone in those groups into the same category. That clearly is not the case.

Anyway regarding the final para, how are you going to encourage the "local" population to do the jobs that we all rely on but no one wants to do.

I agree the status quo is unsustainable but the practicalities of significant change are massive.
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And you with your rose tinted idealism lumps everyone into completely the opposite categories...

ALL immigrants are skilled, qualified high earning, net contributors,
ALL benefits claimants are entirely genuine and are on benefits through no fault of their own and definitely aren't using benefits as a lifestyle choice,
ALL public sector workers are incredibly hard working, efficient and entirely committed to their jobs.

In answer to your question, surely one simple way to "encourage" them is by not allowing them the choice of doing no work or minimal work and claiming benefits instead.

And maybe they might be more encouraged to do those jobs if the pay levels weren't so low... the pay levels being so low because the employers are able to use abundant cheap migrant labour.

It's all about joining the dots and is really not that complicated when you take the time to do so.
 
Big Joe Corrigan said:
As a father of a neuro-diverse child who attends a SEND school, I take offence at your frankly disgusting fucking remarks.
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I think it's fair to say that this fella's made some pretty disgusting remarks all round and, like Dax and others of a similar ilk, should be ignored.

'Othering' and castigating certain groups that don't fit his very narrow ''I'm alright Jack' views are traits that come straight out of the far-right/Reform/30p Lee handbook.

Maybe he should spend some time at a SEND school, as I did recently? I found it to be an amazing, emotional and humbling experience.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Off the top of my head.... Labour so far

Ending Doctors / train drivers strikes

School Breakfast Clubs

Widened the number of free school meals

1000 more GPs to be recruited

Brought ( some ) railways back into public ownership with plans in place for the remainder

Allowing local authorities to bring privatised bus services back into local ownership / control

banned no fault evictions and introduced protections for renters

Announced reform of the planning process to allow more homes to be built

Homes for Heroes programme to ensure all UK Armed forces veterans / care leavers and domestic abuse survivors have somewhere to live

improved police numbers to restart neighbourhood policing (13000)

Scapped Rwanda scheme

6500 more teachers being recruited

Launched Skills England / overhauled apprenticeships

£29 billion boost for the NHS / reduced waiting times for operations

Launched GB Energy

Created a National Wealth Fund to encourage private capital in priority sectors

Ended a number of asylum hotels

Ended the VAT Exemption for Private Schools

Numerous trade agreements

Closer working with the French to produce a returns agreement for failed asylum seekers

Introduced legislation to reduce the number of small boat crossings

Mis steps

Welfare Reform

Winter Fuel allowance (now reinstated if you earn less than £35.000)
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Oh and I forgot the increased number of free childcare places all whilst dealing with the firestorm of a shit show they were left by the outgoing government.

Done more for the working class in the last 15 months than the Tories did in the last 15 years.
 
Big Joe Corrigan said:
As a father of a neuro-diverse child who attends a SEND school, I take offence at your frankly disgusting fucking remarks.
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I'm not disputing that there are genuine and severe examples of people with SEN, ND and mental health conditions, unfortunately these people don't get the full help and support they need and should get due to the explosion in people claiming to have all range of SEN, ND and mental health conditions when they have no such condition at all or they're massively exaggerating the nature of the condition.
 
jacko74 said:
I'm not disputing that there are genuine and severe examples of people with SEN, ND and mental health conditions, unfortunately these people don't get the full help and support they need and should get due to the explosion in people claiming to have all range of SEN, ND and mental health conditions when they have no such condition at all or they're massively exaggerating the nature of the condition.
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My daughter teaches children with SEN ............ you obviously have no f@cking idea other than what you read in the Mail / Express.
 
BTH said:
I think it's fair to say that this fella's made some pretty disgusting remarks all round and, like Dax and others of a similar ilk, should be ignored.

'Othering' and castigating certain groups that don't fit his very narrow ''I'm alright Jack' views are traits that come straight out of the far-right/Reform/30p Lee handbook.

Maybe he should spend some time at a SEND school, as I did recently? I found it to be an amazing, emotional and humbling experience.
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"Othering" tells me all I need to know about how much you understand about the real world.

It's earned you some valuable virtue signalling social media brownie points though.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
My daughter teaches children with SEN ............ you obviously have no f@cking idea other than what you read in the Mail / Express.
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Don't read either unfortunately.

I'll say again for the hard of thinking, there are obviously some very genuine cases of SEN, ND and mental health conditions out there that deserve all the help and support they need... but sadly they don't get that help because of the huge numbers of people who are gaming the system with nothing more than very mild examples of these conditions, that's if they even have them at all.
 
jacko74 said:
Don't read either unfortunately.

I'll say again for the hard of thinking, there are obviously some very genuine cases of SEN, ND and mental health conditions out there that deserve all the help and support they need... but sadly they don't get that help because of the huge numbers of people who are gaming the system with nothing more than very mild examples of these conditions, that's if they even have them at all.
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What qualifies you to make such statements and present them as fact though?
 
jacko74 said:
I'm not disputing that there are genuine and severe examples of people with SEN, ND and mental health conditions, unfortunately these people don't get the full help and support they need and should get due to the explosion in people claiming to have all range of SEN, ND and mental health conditions when they have no such condition at all or they're massively exaggerating the nature of the condition.
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And how the fuck do you know the nature of someones condition?
 
jacko74 said:
And you with your rose tinted idealism lumps everyone into completely the opposite categories...

ALL immigrants are skilled, qualified high earning, net contributors,
ALL benefits claimants are entirely genuine and are on benefits through no fault of their own and definitely aren't using benefits as a lifestyle choice,
ALL public sector workers are incredibly hard working, efficient and entirely committed to their jobs.

In answer to your question, surely one simple way to "encourage" them is by not allowing them the choice of doing no work or minimal work and claiming benefits instead.

And maybe they might be more encouraged to do those jobs if the pay levels weren't so low... the pay levels being so low because the employers are able to use abundant cheap migrant labour.

It's all about joining the dots and is really not that complicated when you take the time to do so.
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I said:

"The problem is you really do lump everyone in those groups into the same category. That clearly is not the case."

By inference that works the other way, so of course not ALL are skilled...blah, blah, and frankly it's condescending of you to suggest that's what I meant.

You certainly could go down the route of of not allowing the choice of no work. The practicalities of forcing people into jobs they don't want to do are massive, but mainly I would suggest for the employers. If you lost your job tomorrow(assuming you have one as your presence on here seems to take up quite a bit of the working day), how long would you expect the system to provide some benefit?

As for low pay, you're right at the most basic level. But imagine that to encourage your kids to go and work in the local abattoir/care home/hotel, salaries are now lifted to such a rate that the end product becomes unaffordable to anyone but the rich. Eventually those businesses become unviable. So less jobs, more out of work... It's a vicious circle.

We all want highly paid and preferably highly skilled workforce, but the very nature of that also requires a sub set of vital occupations and workers who will, unfortunately, be left out of that category. As I used to say to my colleagues who would instantly notice if their workspace hadn't been cleaned overnight for whatever reason, but had no idea if their general manager had been on leave for a week. The absence of one had an immediate impact on their working environment and was paid a pittance, the other not so.

Oh, and PIP isn't work dependent.
 
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