Help in surviving a knife attack.

paulchapo said:
No amount of training in a safe controlled environment of a dojo or gym can prepare you for a real life confrontation in a pub, club, the street or public transport. When there is nobody to referee or call time, just some drunk and coked up meathead about to rip your head off, or worse stab you. When everybody else has backed off or fled and the ones remaining are enjoying the show and probably filming it on their phones. The meathead in front of you couldn't care less if you have done twenty years of training or have five black belts in a variety of different arts, in his mind he's going to fuck you up and possibly kill you and he means it. Training should mean you are hopefully fitter with faster reactions and know how to punch, kick and possibly grapple better than him but an experienced street fighter will still be extremely dangerous . With a weapon and in an enclosed environment any odds in your favour are reduced considerably.
Having said all that any training is worth doing. Some actually do animal day training when you risk real injury and it gives you some experience of what real conflict is like. Geoff Thompson was somebody who advocated it.

There are no experts in a real life situation, nor is there any fool proof video or manual you can watch or read that will ensure your survival. You just prepare, stay aware, hope that you're never in such a situation and you're lucky and come out in one piece if you are.
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With respect i think your first sentence is way wide of the mark. To a large extent fighting is about skill, much like any other sport or discipline. If you can deliver a strike with finely honed technique and you have an ability to judge distance and possibly most importantly maintain balance then you're gonna be well equipped to deal with any angry meathead. Gimme a coked up / drunk meathead any day of the week rather than someone who knows what they're doing.

In my experience people who are trained stand out a mile in any street confrontation.
 
Axel Freed said:
With respect i think your first sentence is way wide of the mark. To a large extent fighting is about skill, much like any other sport or discipline. If you can deliver a strike with finely honed technique and you have an ability to judge distance and possibly most importantly maintain balance then you're gonna be well equipped to deal with any angry meathead. Gimme a coked up / drunk meathead any day of the week rather than someone who knows what they're doing.

In my experience people who are trained stand out a mile in any street confrontation.
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Yes sorry i agree to an extent but i didn't put that across as well as i could. I don't think its way wide of the mark though. Many years ago when I was much younger and fitter i did the odd night of door work here and there. I actually had a job but it was in the sometimes quiet periods when shipping jobs were scarce so a bit of extra cash came in handy. As a few of the guys knew me from training they asked if i would fill in here and there if they were short handed. Sometimes i did, even though as a short arse of course it was me the idiots often fancied fighting. I remember a couple of new blokes there. One was an ex Para , so he said, 6'-2" and about 16 stone. He looked the part but the first time it really kicked off one night he was nowhere to be seen. Eventually he surfaced when it was over saying hed been checking the toilets. He was sacked straight away. Another was actually quite a decent kick boxer. After one night he said " Fuck this. Being in the gym or ring is one thing, here i have to have eyes in the back of my head looking out for some **** with a bottle or glass." Everyone admired his honesty.

I'm going around the houses a bit but the point I'm making is often all the skill and training in the world can't always prepare you for brutal reality. You are correct though that a reasonably trained person should have the edge on somebody untrained. Getting the first punch in is vital, it will often end a fight quickly if done correctly. I too often laugh at these online videos of street altercations. You can often see a punch coming a mile away.
 
Bigga said:
I'm beginning to view this with much humour now. Anyone, who grew up around gangs and expecting to be involved in fights by nature of the people who surround them, will tell you that you don't really get an 'adrenaline dump' when your life might be taken. It becomes an 'acceptance'. Well, it did for me. That's why I also worked the club doors in my time cos I didn't felt much of any fears in situations.

So, I'd appreciate if you don't tell me what I felt when I had a shooter pointed at my head cos I would rather die on my feet than on my knees. But, thanks, for imagining being in my shoes.

The extreme irony of your retort is that you're dismissing the dose of reality of not being immersed enough in these types of situations in order to think through to the next steps of action/ reaction. Not only that, you underline that there are trained people who also freak out! What was the point in that?

You post a video (see I didn't say YOU made it earlier, either) and then say there's a possibility of people never having never experienced violence might look at it and know what to do... because you posted a video to help... then talked about adrenaline dumps... and using keys or getting sprays, tiger balm or whatever as defence... when people have to be calm enough to make these decisions when they might have to open a bag to retrieve such items.

I wasn't 'dismissing' your video, per se, I was laying the grounds for reality that IF something happens, the potential victim is not going to remember anything from the video without drilling it in real life.

It's all good in theory but, as I've said, you would have to drill it over many, many, MANY times to even get one action out in anticipation before blanking on how to react to a next random attack.

Hopefully, you'll get my point and avoid further communication or put me on ignore.

Your choice.
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We are miles apart in what we both think so i agree its absolutely pointless continuing our discussion.
 
paulchapo said:
Yes sorry i agree to an extent but i didn't put that across as well as i could. I don't think its way wide of the mark though. Many years ago when I was much younger and fitter i did the odd night of door work here and there. I actually had a job but it was in the sometimes quiet periods when shipping jobs were scarce so a bit of extra cash came in handy. As a few of the guys knew me from training they asked if i would fill in here and there if they were short handed. Sometimes i did, even though as a short arse of course it was me the idiots often fancied fighting. I remember a couple of new blokes there. One was an ex Para , so he said, 6'-2" and about 16 stone. He looked the part but the first time it really kicked off one night he was nowhere to be seen. Eventually he surfaced when it was over saying hed been checking the toilets. He was sacked straight away. Another was actually quite a decent kick boxer. After one night he said " Fuck this. Being in the gym or ring is one thing, here i have to have eyes in the back of my head looking out for some **** with a bottle or glass." Everyone admired his honesty.

I'm going around the houses a bit but the point I'm making is often all the skill and training in the world can't always prepare you for brutal reality. You are correct though that a reasonably trained person should have the edge on somebody untrained. Getting the first punch in is vital, it will often end a fight quickly if done correctly. I too often laugh at these online videos of street altercations. You can often see a punch coming a mile away.
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I agree with most of that. I would add though that the ability to spot danger is also a trainable skill. There's a whole grey area between say the guy sat behind you at the match suddenly deciding to plunge a knife into your neck and a drunken moronic rag walking towards you outside the ground clearly intent on starting trouble. Subtle clues like a person's stance or little hand movements can forewarn you in certain situations although tbf nobody wants to spend their day walking round scanning everyone in their vicinity for potential threats.
 
Axel Freed said:
I agree with most of that. I would add though that the ability to spot danger is also a trainable skill. There's a whole grey area between say the guy sat behind you at the match suddenly deciding to plunge a knife into your neck and a drunken moronic rag walking towards you outside the ground clearly intent on starting trouble. Subtle clues like a person's stance or little hand movements can forewarn you in certain situations although tbf nobody wants to spend their day walking round scanning everyone in their vicinity for potential threats.
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You kind of do though without being paranoid. Once you have worked somewhere where it was part of your job you do tend to be a bit more alert and aware. Even now its not hard to spot the moron who's going to be a problem in a venue, although obviously I'm not out on the town every night these days lol.
 
"Block the arm not the blade" is a good start but if it's a downward stab and the attacker pulls back his arm you're in danger.
"Control the knife arm" is another good plan but fails if the attacker has a second weapon or a good punch with his other arm.
Chuck stuff at him, or run like fuck is the safest action.
 
It's sad that you have to be aware these days and when I am out specially in Manchester or on a train I always get a seat where someone isn't behind me if I can, or I sit behind an old couple or a family with kids.

If someone walks too close behind me in Manchester I stop and allow them to pass.
 
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