Albania v England - Sun 16th Nov, 17:00 | World Cup Qualifier

bridgeno1 said:
You putting Foden above Gazza? Scholes? Lampard? Gerrard? Come on now.
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Why isn't Foden above those players? he has won more at his age than any of the others have and has been voted best player in the league despite who he plays for.
 
mexico1970 said:
Why isn't Foden above those players? he has won more at his age than any of the others have and has been voted best player in the league despite who he plays for.
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Winning is at least in particular a factor of being at the right club. Scott Carson has a bunch of medals but he isn't better than most PL keepers. People like Matt Le Tissier, Alan Shearer, Francesco Totti etc stayed at clubs that they loved despite them not being teams that competed for titles regularly - they'd have walked into the top teams of their day.

Foden is a superb player but for some reason it hasn't always worked out for him in an England shirt. Many such cases with other players too. He still has youth on his side and that can change but there's also an element of when he gets in he needs to take his chance - I hope he does as an England side with a peak Foden will be far better for it but as it stands the gaffer prefers having Bellingham in that role. Personally I think it clutters up the midfield and will get found out against the top sides but unlike Herr Tuchel I'm not a football manager who gets paid millions so my opinion isn't worth much.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
But apparently it’s a piss easy group and we’ll just get knocked out by someone better at the next major. Not allowed to be positive.
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It was a piss easy group.

Hopefully Tommy finds a team and dynamic that won't get bummed by the first decent side England play at the WC.

The signs are promising, but we won't know until they play someone decent.
 
bridgeno1 said:
Winning is at least in particular a factor of being at the right club. Scott Carson has a bunch of medals but he isn't better than most PL keepers. People like Matt Le Tissier, Alan Shearer, Francesco Totti etc stayed at clubs that they loved despite them not being teams that competed for titles regularly - they'd have walked into the top teams of their day.

Foden is a superb player but for some reason it hasn't always worked out for him in an England shirt. Many such cases with other players too. He still has youth on his side and that can change but there's also an element of when he gets in he needs to take his chance - I hope he does as an England side with a peak Foden will be far better for it but as it stands the gaffer prefers having Bellingham in that role. Personally I think it clutters up the midfield and will get found out against the top sides but unlike Herr Tuchel I'm not a football manager who gets paid millions so my opinion isn't worth much.
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Two reasons. The first is so bloody obvious you must be Stevie Wonder not to see it. Nobody passes to him. Watch the next time he plays for England. Both arms up in the air screaming in vain for the ball.
The second is less obvious. The players in that England squad are nowhere near his level of intelligence.....Rice, Henderson, Rashford, Rogers, Saka, Bellend, Guehi, James, etc, etc.
Open your eyes mate. I assume you left Fatboy off the list to avoid more criticism.
 
cleavers said:
I don't think Burn is at this level personally, he's made a great career for himself, but don't think he merits being an international.
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Burn is playing well in the PL and CL for Newcastle which is a much higher level than most international matches. Not saying he's world class but he is good enough to be in the England squad. International football is sub-standard apart from the very late stages of the Euros and the World Cup.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
But apparently it’s a piss easy group and we’ll just get knocked out by someone better at the next major. Not allowed to be positive.
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I actually think England have got as good a chance as anyone because the quality of international football has never been lower. Where have all the great teams gone like Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Holland, Italy, Portugal. The best teams are probably Spain and France and even they are much weaker than their great teams of the past. England have had a very easy group but so has everyone else. FIFA and UEFA have ruined international football with their greed. England could well win it though I am not a big fan of Tuchel.
 
bridgeno1 said:
Winning is at least in particular a factor of being at the right club. Scott Carson has a bunch of medals but he isn't better than most PL keepers. People like Matt Le Tissier, Alan Shearer, Francesco Totti etc stayed at clubs that they loved despite them not being teams that competed for titles regularly - they'd have walked into the top teams of their day.

Foden is a superb player but for some reason it hasn't always worked out for him in an England shirt. Many such cases with other players too. He still has youth on his side and that can change but there's also an element of when he gets in he needs to take his chance - I hope he does as an England side with a peak Foden will be far better for it but as it stands the gaffer prefers having Bellingham in that role. Personally I think it clutters up the midfield and will get found out against the top sides but unlike Herr Tuchel I'm not a football manager who gets paid millions so my opinion isn't worth much.
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Foden led England U17s to win the World Cup. He was player of the tournament. He has improved since then. He has been fantastic for City and has won more trophies than any other English player else at his age. Last season his form dipped but he still scored 13 goals from midfield. He was far from our worst player and was carrying an injury most of the time. He does not get positive media coverage because of who he plays for. Kevin De Bruyne never got a player of the month award and David Silva got virtually no recognition from the biased English media. I don't think Tuchel knows what he is doing but apparently he is flavour of the month despite bringing back has-been former players who he has worked with like Mason Mount and Loftus Cheek.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Foden led England U17s to win the World Cup. He was player of the tournament. He has improved since then. He has been fantastic for City and has won more trophies than any other English player else at his age. Last season his form dipped but he still scored 13 goals from midfield. He was far from our worst player and was carrying an injury most of the time. He does not get positive media coverage because of who he plays for. Kevin De Bruyne never got a player of the month award and David Silva got virtually no recognition from the biased English media. I don't think Tuchel knows what he is doing but apparently he is flavour of the month despite bringing back has-been former players who he has worked with like Mason Mount and Loftus Cheek.
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Well like I said earlier from England's perspective I'd like to see a peak Foden in the team. For some reason it's not happened for him yet in an England shirt but he still has time.
 
bridgeno1 said:
Winning is at least in particular a factor of being at the right club. Scott Carson has a bunch of medals but he isn't better than most PL keepers. People like Matt Le Tissier, Alan Shearer, Francesco Totti etc stayed at clubs that they loved despite them not being teams that competed for titles regularly - they'd have walked into the top teams of their day.

Foden is a superb player but for some reason it hasn't always worked out for him in an England shirt. Many such cases with other players too. He still has youth on his side and that can change but there's also an element of when he gets in he needs to take his chance - I hope he does as an England side with a peak Foden will be far better for it but as it stands the gaffer prefers having Bellingham in that role. Personally I think it clutters up the midfield and will get found out against the top sides but unlike Herr Tuchel I'm not a football manager who gets paid millions so my opinion isn't worth much.
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He was voted the best player in the league whilst playing with KDB and Rodri, he was considered better than they were for that season.

Rodri is/was a better player than the ones you mentioned and KDB was streets ahead of Rodri, he shone in this team he wasn't a passenger.
 
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