President Trump

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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But The Charge of The Light Brigade was not intentional, was it? Nolan(?) accidentally pointed down the wrong valley. In this case, that would have been equivalent to an incorrect clipping of the speech, which I haven't heard anybody claim happened here.

I'm not sure that there was any thought of misleading anybody, either - they probably assumed (like most on here) that the whole world knew exactly what he'd implied.

After all, he had already been impeached for it, three or four years prior to the documentary being aired, presumably based upon the unedited transcript of his speech?

Who were they trying to mislead or deceive?

I acceot my Charge of the Light Brogade analogy was inelegant.

I believe they were trying to mislead as to the words that were spoken and in what order. It misrepresented what was said, was misleading, and necessarily entailed editing to achieve that.

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

so which news agency is your goto then? Which corporation have taken up the banner as the bbc has slipped away?

None of them - there's an issue with impartiality in journalism across the board for me.
Look I'm approaching 60 - since the advent of 24 hour news and social media everything seems to be about sensationalism and making the "biggest" story.

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

All that said. It’s poor PR and does semi feed into the Trump cult victimhood narrative

Feck me he's a dipper too - filth!!!!!

 

[flook]

None of them - there's an issue with impartiality in journalism across the board for me.
Look I'm approaching 60 - since the advent of 24 hour news and social media everything seems to be about sensationalism and making the "biggest" story.

I don't disagree with anything you say here, however given the options, the BBC is, in my opinion, still the most balanced news outlet we have. I'm not for a minute arguing they are perfect, far from it, but there are none better. What you are advocating for is removing the (slightly soured) cream from the top of a rancid pint of milk

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Wasn't a personal dig - apologies if that's how it came across.
It's not that I WANT it destroyed - but, for me, standards appear to have slipped alarmingly (hence the "not fit for purpose").
There seems to be a hole in the checking mechanism that needs filling asap

Don't worry, it wasn't taken as a personal dig.

I totally agree that the BBC's standards have slipped, and there have been many opportunities to arrest the slide in recent years, all of which have been spectacularly missed. However, they are still absolutely light years ahead of anyone else in terms of what you get for your relatively small licence fee. Their journalism for the most part is second to none, same with their natural history programs. Sport, can be a bit hit and miss, mainly because they can't compete fairly with the likes of those single genre subscription services such as Sky Sports or TNT. Their Radio services, online content and education services are also spectacularly good value.

With politics, their biggest single problem is polarisation, and this is largely down to the way we as consumers have been conditioned. We get a huge dopamine hit when someone agrees with our opinion or point of view. If someone points out we are wrong, or doesn't agree with us we often get angered and turn off, so they have to try and play neutral, which again turns off consumers. It's really hard for them to find a balance and they often end up short circuiting their editorial guardrails to try to arrest the slide in viewing figures.

Not sure how they can fix it, but getting rid of it isn't the answer.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Let me tell you you what the chances are of me clicking on a Nick Fuentes video: zero.

He could offer a rhapsody on the greatness of Kevin DeBruyne and I wouldn’t click.

Fuentes profits from racism, ergo he's a massive **** who doesn't deserve a nanosecond of my time.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Doing something intentionally doesn’t mean it can’t be a mistake and describing it as such isn’t wrong in this instance I’d say.

The Charge of the Light Brigade springs to mind.

The producers responsible doubtless did it with the intention to mislead, and possibly even deceive, and as I’ve said previously on another thread should never work in media again.

If that was the test, there’d be very few people actually working in the media. Or politics…

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

If that was the test, there’d be very few people actually working in the media. Or politics…

Not that some of the moaning about it isn’t justified in some cases (like the one under discussion, or inherently as City fans since the takeover), but in 40 years of working either for or with the media, I’d say the vast majority of those I’ve encountered have their minds and hearts in the right place. Most aren’t in it for fame nor money, but because it’s the job they were trained to do, and an idealistic hero/heroine journalist was most often their model.

That said, the world has changed a lot in terms of how we all consume media, and the outlet set that matters has both broadened and narrowed since the dawn of the internet. One only needs to look at the death of terrestrial radio and small/mid-sized newspapers over here to see that.

I also know that it’s lots different over there in terms of the power some of the more salacious outfits have (but the UK also has stronger anti-libel laws than the U.S.).

 

[bluethrunthru]

he is so far gone he doesn't know what he was doing

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/15/trump-jan-6-pardons-j6-capitol-illegal-guns-wilson

 

[Blue Hefner]

he is so far gone he doesn't know what he was doing

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/15/trump-jan-6-pardons-j6-capitol-illegal-guns-wilson

But at least his MRI was amazing. He accepts he doesn’t know what the test was for but it was amazing nonetheless

Imagine any European leader came out with that, they’d be laughed out of town. It’s the sort of thing they say(and don’t dispute) in North Korea

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If that was the test, there’d be very few people actually working in the media. Or politics…

The BBC should be above that, though.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

But at least his MRI was amazing. He accepts he doesn’t know what the test was for but it was amazing nonetheless

Imagine any European leader came out with that, they’d be laughed out of town. It’s the sort of thing they say(and don’t dispute) in North Korea

Moron
Retrovirus
Imaging

No wonder they had to run it twice.

 

[Franny 1234]

From the Independent:

President Donald Trump provided a bizarre update on his health Friday night, telling reporters on Air Force One a doctor praised him for an “outstanding” MRI, though he didn’t know what experts were examining with the procedure.

“I had an MRI,” Trump said of a recent headline-grabbing visit to Walter Reed Medical Center. “The doctor said it was the best result he has ever seen as a doctor...The result was outstanding.”

When asked if doctors scanned the president’s brain, he replied, “I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well and they said I had as good a result as they’ve ever seen.”
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He doesn't know what an MRI is, does he?

He most likely thinks it's a hospital in Manchester

 

[Blue Hefner]

He most likely thinks it's a hospital in Manchester

Let’s pretend for a moment that this actually happened - how can someone not know if their brain is being scanned?

Did they put your head in, Mr President? Or perhaps your chest, or your leg? Whatever, how can the patient not know?’

 

[flook]

Let’s pretend for a moment that this actually happened - how can someone not know if their brain is being scanned?

Did they put your head in, Mr President? Or perhaps your chest, or your leg? Whatever, how can the patient not know?’

well he doesn't know his arse from his elbow so....

 

[flook]

The BBC should be above that, though.

In an ideal world maybe

 

[Ashton Moss Messi]

I see he's now telling his Republican Congressmen to support releasing the files.
That means he knows there would be enough rebels anyway and he wouldn't want to appear a loser.
That's what would really hurt him.

 

[Ashton Moss Messi]

I would love to see a detailed rationale behind this opinion.

Covered under Throwing the Baby out with the bathwater rationale.
Perfection or nothing.
Modern society and culture is driven by the extremes, there's no middle ground.

 

[55yr old teenager]

Sky News have just said that Trump has told Republicans to vote for the release of.the Epstein file! Let just speculate here for a minute..... Having ordered the DOJ to investigate the Democrats in relation to these files, he knows that when the vote is successful and the committe ask DOJ for those files they are going to say we can't release them as there is an ongoing investigation! He then can say "Well I have asked them to be released, but unfortunately they can't. That is going to be his excuse going forward whenever he is asked about them. Plus he probably knows the vote by the committee would go against his wishes. So to save face as he doesnt want to look weak is the real reason he has done this. He knows now that the chances of the files ever being release are slim to none. He is such a prick.

 

[BlueHammer85]

who actually has all the files ? The FBI ?