The Album Review Club - Week #193 (page 1300) - East Side Story - Squeeze

I love some of the defences coming up here. There's plenty of music that I don't like that I respect as by proper artists (Kate Bush and The Jam are two that spring immediately to mind) but this is no more music than a banana gaffer-taped to a wall is art.

It may be a technical achievement, but that's about all.

And if you still don't understand then I'll be having a launch party for my debut album Fingers on a Clacky Keyboard next Friday.
 
I love some of the defences coming up here. There's plenty of music that I don't like that I respect as by proper artists (Kate Bush and The Jam are two that spring immediately to mind) but this is no more music than a banana gaffer-taped to a wall is art.

It may be a technical achievement, but that's about all.

Unbelievable Jeff, the big man's only gone and doubled down!
 
I love some of the defences coming up here. There's plenty of music that I don't like that I respect as by proper artists (Kate Bush and The Jam are two that spring immediately to mind) but this is no more music than a banana gaffer-taped to a wall is art.

It may be a technical achievement, but that's about all.

And if you still don't understand then I'll be having a launch party for my debut album Fingers on a Clacky Keyboard next Friday.

Yeah to be fair, this line of thought is just getting dafter and you guys making such points just looking sillier. To the extent there is almost no point even bothering to engage.

This thread is the antithesis of music discussion ;). There your banana!
 
Yeah to be fair, this line of thought is just getting dafter and you guys making such points just looking sillier. To the extent there is almost no point even bothering to engage.

This thread is the antithesis of music discussion ;). There your banana!
De La Soul started it, sir.
 
I did listen to it again on a bus journey out to the game at Murrayfield yesterday. I listened all the way through.
Thing is, I'm not opposed to sampling when it actually adds to the 'music'. Best example I can think of is the album 'Hounds of Love' (which predated this by 4 years). There is a fair smattering of sampling on some of the tracks, particularly on the song cycle 'The Ninth Wave' but the sampling is used to augment the music and add texture. It does that very successfully. On this album the sampling is the music.

I tried to articulate what draws me to an album and no amount of folk telling me that this album delivers against those personal criteria has shifted my opinion of it. I'm guessing that those that love it, lived with it at a formative age (teen to early 20s) and appreciated its humour and groundbreaking use of sampling, lack of aggression/politics but what I hear now as a 68 year old hipster/codger is pretty commonplace having absorbed contemporary rap music by osmosis (not by actively seeking it out :-)). There is nothing that feels innovative to me now albeit it may well have felt innovative back in 89.

So I could increase my vote but it would only be by a point or so. I appreciate that this will work for some but it sure as doesn't work for me.

Now back to my Sade album.
 
I'm just sampling the work of a great to make my point. I thought that's what this week was about?

Ok so now we're going to have a rumble about whether Joe Abercrombie is a great - I'll see you outside the Book Thread at 3.30pm - and don't bring a bunch of your mates.
 
Ok so now we're going to have a rumble about whether Joe Abercrombie is a great.
That is beyond question, my friend. And kudos for looking it up (or maybe you already knew it? In which case Kudos++).

Thing is, I'm not opposed to sampling when it actually adds to the 'music'. ...... On this album the sampling is the music.
Good point, and a very important distinction.
 
Good album, great pick. It put a smile on my face here and there, a nod to my head when listening seated, a spring to my step when listening while walking, and an occasional chuckle. Yeah, there isn't the highest level of wit, but some dotted about in there, that is simplistic enough that on a basic level transcends otherwise notable contextual and cultural differences. Add to that the bewilderment of some right flatearther approach to music it has brought out in the thread.

We praise catchy here don't we, well the rhythms and beats here are damn catchy. And its reach and impact on pushing rap into pop shouldn't be overlooked. My biggest gripe is its length, the songs.. sorry, 'songs'.. are too long, overdone, and lose their impact which could otherwise have been much sharper and snappier but for a bit of better editing down. It also lacks the vigour and aggression that comes with the genre (in the delivery, rather than in themes), but then, therein lies its broader appeal and success.

I don't struggle with rap/hip-hop in the slightest, but I do generally struggle with rap/hip-hop albums. In the sense of listening to them over a stretch and in volume. RTJ4 is probably one that comes to mind that I can enjoy the bulk of, but most others even the so thought of classics, they are a pick and choose from, and skip over type of an experience for me. Which is why I think it is even harder putting forward an album of this type, never mind to an audience of 'radiohead moms' and that I feel the need to acknowledge. Overall, for the mood and the spanner in the works, an 8 for me.
 
I love some of the defences coming up here. There's plenty of music that I don't like that I respect as by proper artists (Kate Bush and The Jam are two that spring immediately to mind) but this is no more music than a banana gaffer-taped to a wall is art.

It may be a technical achievement, but that's about all.

And if you still don't understand then I'll be having a launch party for my debut album Fingers on a Clacky Keyboard next Friday.
Ah but you have to be cool to like this album Rob so that immediately excludes us two.
Maybe we can learn something from the cool cats ;-)
 
Mrs Spires is a big fantasy buff, maybe two thirds of her total reading. As for me, I just tell her the entire genre is the antithesis of literature ;-)

“Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.”​


so there.
 

“Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.”​


so there.

Ooh I think know this one. Isn't it that fella who sampled William Morris and Icelandic sagas ;-)
 
Ooh I think know this one. Isn't it that fella who sampled William Morris and Icelandic sagas ;-)
he was absolutely a pioneer. Here is something from his first album:

Mordor Rap

Yo—
From the smoke-black pits where the iron hammers ring,
I rise like a shadow with the wrath of a Dark Lord king.
Ash on my tongue, fire in the breath I spit,
Every bar is a Black Gate—step wrong and you’re split.

I walk where the land is cracked and cursed,
Where the Eye never sleeps and the dark thoughts burst.
My rhymes like wargs—teeth bared in the night,
Tearing through the weak with a savage delight.

Forge heat in my chest, molten meters I cast,
Beat pounding like the march of an orcish mass.
No soft Shire breeze—only storm and steel,
Where the will of the West bends, breaks, and kneels.

I’ve seen kings fall dead where the red dust clings,
I’ve heard ringwraith screams that would shatter kings.
Don’t test this bard from the shadowed land;
I’ve got verses like Morgul blades—poison in each hand.

So bow low, traveller, when the dark beat drops,
For the mountain shakes hard when this war-heart knocks.
In the heart of the fire where the ancient lies drown,
I spit bars forged black with the weight of the crown.

This ain’t no tale for a gentle hall—
It’s the sound of the East when the dark beats call.


Pretty easy this rap stuff.
 

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