City fan suffers broken leg after being attacked at Leeds game

Restrictions should be in place for location on certain fixtures. If you're registered in Turkey or have a Turkish payment method attached to your account, you should not be able to buy a ticket for Galatasaray as an example. Obviously this only works so well since the club has 9 official resale partners but it’s a start.
Until you have to upload a photo id - passport, driving licence - that also matches a Live phone Photo of you, then there are so many ways around the buying of tickets
Location IP - use a VPN
Address - use a relative/friend in UK
Credit card - as above

And I think there’s a large enough Turkish diaspora in the UK that’ll mean the number of potential Galatasaray fans, that would meet any simple uk fan criteria is vast - and of course they can buy tickets for anybody else as well.

The overwhelming use of bots, also blasts through any defensive ticket buying issues.
 
From about the closest 50 friends and family I know in Manchester, most of them are football fans of either City or United, and about 41 of them don’t go to the Etihad or Old Trafford.

It feels like the culture of going to the game has changed massively in this city, almost disappeared.

I know 6 City ST holders and 3 United ST holders out of around 50 of my closest f&fs. Two decades ago, of that group, more than half of that 50 of us were ST holders at City. Many were die-hard home+away, when we were shit, Blues.

For both the 2011 FA Cup semi and final, we filled a coach with just mates without having to advertise it anywhere. We even had to let some know we were full and they’d have to find another way down, such was the demand.

In recent years, there have been semis where I’ve gone down on my own on National Express because nobody else I knew was going. There have been finals where we’ve not been able to book a minibus because we couldn’t get the numbers and a handful of us have been able to go in one car.

This is probably similar for many groups of friends+family across Manchester. We have become a conurbation of arcmchair supporters, with most football fans in this city watching at home because going to the ground isn’t on the cards for people.

How has this been allowed to happen? How can the club have done this to our support?

We were known as the most loyal supporters in the country. Anywhere you went, up and down the country, holidays abroad, as soon as we said we were City fans we got immediate respect because of the way we were viewed as a set of fans. Now we are ridiculed for being shit fans, it’s almost embarrassing to admit you’re a City fan due to the lack of respect we have as a fanbase these days.

Our fanbase should have been sacrosanct to the club, it should have been the #1 thing the club should have looked after and cherished because it was a bigger asset to the club than anything else.

Mansour’s early doors Mission Statement to fans made me feel like we wouldn’t go down the United route of having a fanbase with no identity, just a worldwide bunch of nobodies. I thought that we were going to keep our identity and we’d be looked after.

A few things Mansour said (if it was really him who wrote it and not just some publicist):

My request to [Al Mubarak] has been to put together a board and executive team that is worthy of the heritage and potential of Manchester City’.

‘…we will absolutely spend time listening to you the fans about what you think about the future of the club. We are very aware that without you there would not be a club to buy, and your voice will be heard by the organisation at the highest level’.

We are aware also that the club has a significant role in the community going back years. As newcomers, we don’t pretend to understand all of this yet, but we will make sincere efforts to back these initiatives and ensure that Manchester City loses none of its role in Manchester beyond football and we want the club to continue to contribute to the community it represents’.

I am a football fan, and I hope that you will soon see that I am now also a Manchester City fan. But I am also a long-term investor and that is probably more important to the club and to you because it means we are here for the long haul and that we will act always in the best interests of the club and all of its stakeholders, but especially you the fans’.

Ha!

You’re having a fucking laugh, pretty much none of that has happened!

The latchers-on to City’s success were inevitable, of course. However, the total lack of remembering the ‘heritage’ of City, spending time listening to fans, being aware that without us there’d be no club, being active in all parts of our conurbation, having ticketing initiatives for local fans to enhance the importance of Manchester and Mancunians… was not inevitable. It was the opposite of what the Mission Statement said.

Entering the European Super League, releasing statements by Joel Glazer, not saying anything to back up City fans after Istanbul (not even to the fans, never mind UEFA), and, of course, pricing out fans whether by constantly putting season ticket prices up or having unrealistic matchticket prices for a predominantly working class Manchester fanbase… is not showing that they will act ‘always in the best interests of…especially you the fans’.

They haven’t done anything differently than United. We’ve just become ‘Man U’ in Blue. United’s match going fanbase of a load of latchers-on while the locals are priced out and forgotten about but with sky blue branding.

The German clubs have highlighted that the way Premier League clubs operate is not needed. Bayern have recently smashed their record revenue figures, and they didn’t do it by pricing out their core support and making their worldwide fanbase a priority.

Even Liverpool have ticketing initiatives for people with an ‘L’ post code and their child Premier League matchday tickets are £9 in all stands other than the new Anfield Road tier.

Mansour’s words there have been proven to mean absolutely fuck all. Mancunian City fans are not important to this club. The Manchester name means nothing anymore. We might as well be called Moon City FC and play our games around the world like Forumla 1 takes each race around the world.

They’ve run this club with only the interests of creating a faceless passionless worldwide fanbase. You see it with the trophy tours they put on whenever we win anything; these trophies are never seen in Wythenshawe, Altrincham, Stockport… if we’re lucky we’ve had one afternoon with them in the city centre store before they go on trips around the world for months on end. I’ve not seen a City presence in Wythenshawe in any way shape or form for fucking ages! You wouldn’t know City existed in Wythenshawe if you didn’t have a smartphone, tablet or laptop… and I bet that’s the case for many areas around our conurbation.

This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday. The constant increasing of ticket tout partners and number of tickets around the stadium where any Tom, Dick or Harry can purchase tickets in the City home ends (despite City’s own Ts&Cs stating that away fans cannot purchase tickets in the home stands… I know this because I’ve read them to the club over the phone when complaining about away fans in the home stands!) whether they’re City fans, daytrippers, neutrals or rabid supporters of the away team have seen many incidents flare up over recent years: Arsenal fans getting a pasting the other year because they goaded Blues in our own seats when Califiori scored, our biggest rivals United and Liverpool fans openly supporting their team even wearing colours without a care in the world, Liverpool fan getting a twatted in the South Stand last season…

A City fan got a pasting yesterday, but I’m telling you now something serious is going to happen soon. Someone is going to get seriously hurt in our ground, or worse! All the ingredients are there and all it takes is a bad fall after a scuffle and someone has permanent damage or could die. And it is all on the club and their ticketing initiatives. There are far too many away fans buying tickets in the home stands and hospitality sections. There should be none! as per their own Ts&Cs. The club will blame fans, ban fans, even out out a statement condemning fans’ behaviour… but it’ll be their fault!

And all this will just alienate even more proper core Blues who will get to a point of having enough of it all and will stop going to games.
Well said.
 
Anecdotally I saw one Leeds fan with his City mates at Hazel Grove Station and I know of at least two others who had benefited from City fans getting them tickets.

All of them were sensible Leeds fans in their late 50s/early 60s and I'm sure they weren't alone

If somebody committed a violent act then hopefully there were witnesses and it was caught on CCTV

However if we're trying to completely eradicate away fans in the home end then it's a bit naïve to solely blame the club
 
Khaldoon’s job isn’t to micro manage every problem that arises from the course Soriano takes. His role is to leave him to it and trust him and maybe to step in at such a time as he can see that Soriano is going down the wrong path

He can surely have reasonably expected a competent CEO to be able to raise revenue in a booming sector without alienating huge chunks of the business’ customer base and creating situations where we’re one unlucky fall away from having the ground shut down. Guys in Soriano’s role should be sensitive to a whole myriad of scenarios that develop when tickets are sold via third party websites.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe Khaldoon is as much about only the bottom line as Soriano evidently is.
Soriano has been going down the wrong path since the day he set foot in the club. Neither of the Barca twins, or for that matter Pep, understand the club.
 
I wasn’t at that game but heard so many stories about it down the years. I think it would’ve been a lot different if we were still in the promotion race. The attendance would’ve been far bigger with many more home fans snapping up tickets, but as we’d fallen away in the weeks leading up to it and Chelsea were going up their fans basically had the run of the ground.
It wasn’t just at City they took liberties that season. Astonishingly they took the piss at Ninian Park too, filling 3 stands apparently and giving Cardiff fans a right battering.
I saw plenty of Chelsea fans getting attacked that night .....
 
This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday.

Great post and this is the problem, we have City fans not admitting this and foreign City fans tut tutting local City fans for even mentioning it.

The overall problem is deeper, our owners and the people who are employed to run a club might understand business but they know the sum total of fuck all about football culture and eventually they will kill this sport as a spectacle.
 
What a clown. You sound as though you’re a big hard man. Two of ours are still in custody. You’d have run a mile
Fucking shit that Blues go to a match with no intention of causing trouble, instead they are literally in the wrong place wrong time.

If this happened anywhere else away from football they would be seen as heroes.

I blame those 3 fucking Leeds pricks 100%

Sounds like they were spoken to, told to pipe down and enjoy what they had paid for but, they could not do that.

It is possible to support a different team to others but strike up a friendly conversation with fans of other Clubs without being a dick.

They were in our ground surrounded by City, show respect and dont start shit.

I hope they get the book thrown at them and the City lads are treated right by the Club.
 
Fucking shit that Blues go to a match with no intention of causing trouble, instead they are literally in the wrong place wrong time.

If this happened anywhere else away from football they would be seen as heroes.

I blame those 3 fucking Leeds pricks 100%

Sounds like they were spoken to, told to pipe down and enjoy what they had paid for but, they could not do that.

It is possible to support a different team to others but strike up a friendly conversation with fans of other Clubs without being a dick.

They were in our ground surrounded by City, show respect and dont start shit.

I hope they get the book thrown at them and the City lads are treated right by the Club.
Don’t, hold your breath. They’ve been bailed until February and banned from the stadium until then
 
This was not a moderator action. Here's a look behind the scenes at the logs. I purposely edited a random thread in the ticket forum so you can see thread title edits show up.


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Bluemoon is and always has been fiercely independent with zero oversight or pressure applied from the club. The two deleted posts in the last 5 hours were from me in the Cuddly toy (double post due to bad internet) and Jim (deleted his own post joking about Rangers). We don't routinely delete or edit posts unless they're fairly egregious and would absolutely never under any circumstances delete a post or edit a title because the club reached out. In fact, we'd tell them to politely fuck off. 99% of the time, moderators will edit thread titles for style reason - putting proper grammar in, capitalisation, etc. But it's pretty rare. And certainly not because somebody asked at City.

Tim probably thought it came across a bit harsh so edited it himself.
Thanks Damocles. Yes I changed my post because it was unfair on Danny Wilson, whose done good things for some Blues. I might have said Soriano if I thought he read this forum.

I’ve also changed what I wrote a bit because the part of proceedings that most annoyed me was hearing the Leeds fans were asked to leave the stand only to pitch up in 93:20. My reference to “stabbed in the back” was about that but it was unclear.

I would like as many Blues as possible to be there to cheer the lads on against Galatassary. The more seats we fill, the fewer the number of away fans there will and yes there will still be plenty in hospitality etc.

For info, the Blue has a broken tibia, below his knee.
 
I really think that we must have the largest amount of piss heads in the premier league. Look at every home game and the stands are always less than half full when the teams come out as people are still pouring as much beer down their throats as humanly possible. Mind you that habit probably started in the bad old days when we were terrible on the pitch.
The lads in front of me in 015 missed two of the goals yesterday because beer was their number one priority :-)
 
From about the closest 50 friends and family I know in Manchester, most of them are football fans of either City or United, and about 41 of them don’t go to the Etihad or Old Trafford.

It feels like the culture of going to the game has changed massively in this city, almost disappeared.

I know 6 City ST holders and 3 United ST holders out of around 50 of my closest f&fs. Two decades ago, of that group, more than half of that 50 of us were ST holders at City. Many were die-hard home+away, when we were shit, Blues.

For both the 2011 FA Cup semi and final, we filled a coach with just mates without having to advertise it anywhere. We even had to let some know we were full and they’d have to find another way down, such was the demand.

In recent years, there have been semis where I’ve gone down on my own on National Express because nobody else I knew was going. There have been finals where we’ve not been able to book a minibus because we couldn’t get the numbers and a handful of us have been able to go in one car.

This is probably similar for many groups of friends+family across Manchester. We have become a conurbation of arcmchair supporters, with most football fans in this city watching at home because going to the ground isn’t on the cards for people.

How has this been allowed to happen? How can the club have done this to our support?

We were known as the most loyal supporters in the country. Anywhere you went, up and down the country, holidays abroad, as soon as we said we were City fans we got immediate respect because of the way we were viewed as a set of fans. Now we are ridiculed for being shit fans, it’s almost embarrassing to admit you’re a City fan due to the lack of respect we have as a fanbase these days.

Our fanbase should have been sacrosanct to the club, it should have been the #1 thing the club should have looked after and cherished because it was a bigger asset to the club than anything else.

Mansour’s early doors Mission Statement to fans made me feel like we wouldn’t go down the United route of having a fanbase with no identity, just a worldwide bunch of nobodies. I thought that we were going to keep our identity and we’d be looked after.

A few things Mansour said (if it was really him who wrote it and not just some publicist):

My request to [Al Mubarak] has been to put together a board and executive team that is worthy of the heritage and potential of Manchester City’.

‘…we will absolutely spend time listening to you the fans about what you think about the future of the club. We are very aware that without you there would not be a club to buy, and your voice will be heard by the organisation at the highest level’.

We are aware also that the club has a significant role in the community going back years. As newcomers, we don’t pretend to understand all of this yet, but we will make sincere efforts to back these initiatives and ensure that Manchester City loses none of its role in Manchester beyond football and we want the club to continue to contribute to the community it represents’.

I am a football fan, and I hope that you will soon see that I am now also a Manchester City fan. But I am also a long-term investor and that is probably more important to the club and to you because it means we are here for the long haul and that we will act always in the best interests of the club and all of its stakeholders, but especially you the fans’.

Ha!

You’re having a fucking laugh, pretty much none of that has happened!

The latchers-on to City’s success were inevitable, of course. However, the total lack of remembering the ‘heritage’ of City, spending time listening to fans, being aware that without us there’d be no club, being active in all parts of our conurbation, having ticketing initiatives for local fans to enhance the importance of Manchester and Mancunians… was not inevitable. It was the opposite of what the Mission Statement said.

Entering the European Super League, releasing statements by Joel Glazer, not saying anything to back up City fans after Istanbul (not even to the fans, never mind UEFA), and, of course, pricing out fans whether by constantly putting season ticket prices up or having unrealistic matchticket prices for a predominantly working class Manchester fanbase… is not showing that they will act ‘always in the best interests of…especially you the fans’.

They haven’t done anything differently than United. We’ve just become ‘Man U’ in Blue. United’s match going fanbase of a load of latchers-on while the locals are priced out and forgotten about but with sky blue branding.

The German clubs have highlighted that the way Premier League clubs operate is not needed. Bayern have recently smashed their record revenue figures, and they didn’t do it by pricing out their core support and making their worldwide fanbase a priority.

Even Liverpool have ticketing initiatives for people with an ‘L’ post code and their child Premier League matchday tickets are £9 in all stands other than the new Anfield Road tier.

Mansour’s words there have been proven to mean absolutely fuck all. Mancunian City fans are not important to this club. The Manchester name means nothing anymore. We might as well be called Moon City FC and play our games around the world like Forumla 1 takes each race around the world.

They’ve run this club with only the interests of creating a faceless passionless worldwide fanbase. You see it with the trophy tours they put on whenever we win anything; these trophies are never seen in Wythenshawe, Altrincham, Stockport… if we’re lucky we’ve had one afternoon with them in the city centre store before they go on trips around the world for months on end. I’ve not seen a City presence in Wythenshawe in any way shape or form for fucking ages! You wouldn’t know City existed in Wythenshawe if you didn’t have a smartphone, tablet or laptop… and I bet that’s the case for many areas around our conurbation.

This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday. The constant increasing of ticket tout partners and number of tickets around the stadium where any Tom, Dick or Harry can purchase tickets in the City home ends (despite City’s own Ts&Cs stating that away fans cannot purchase tickets in the home stands… I know this because I’ve read them to the club over the phone when complaining about away fans in the home stands!) whether they’re City fans, daytrippers, neutrals or rabid supporters of the away team have seen many incidents flare up over recent years: Arsenal fans getting a pasting the other year because they goaded Blues in our own seats when Califiori scored, our biggest rivals United and Liverpool fans openly supporting their team even wearing colours without a care in the world, Liverpool fan getting a twatted in the South Stand last season…

A City fan got a pasting yesterday, but I’m telling you now something serious is going to happen soon. Someone is going to get seriously hurt in our ground, or worse! All the ingredients are there and all it takes is a bad fall after a scuffle and someone has permanent damage or could die. And it is all on the club and their ticketing initiatives. There are far too many away fans buying tickets in the home stands and hospitality sections. There should be none! as per their own Ts&Cs. The club will blame fans, ban fans, even out out a statement condemning fans’ behaviour… but it’ll be their fault!

And all this will just alienate even more proper core Blues who will get to a point of having enough of it all and will stop going to games.
Feels like being loyal doesn't carry too many benefits.

From the ten lads I moved from Maine Road with, and my Dad, two have passed away, three feel it is too cold to go, three gave it up at the end of 2021/22, and one moved from the UK.

Moved to 118 for 2023/24 with another mate who since gave up his card for money reasons.

I moved to 115 in the South Stand last season to hang with a mate and her friend. She gave her seasoncard up this year. I'm solo in 011 now. Am I toxic?

I keep questioning how the game day atmosphere has changed at times. I get that some games are bigger than others, and that brings more interest. The lad next to me, in 011, is off to West Ham today with a tour group. He's had a seasoncard at City for 5 seasons and always gets away tickets. He often mocks how we can't sell "such cheap tickets". If he can afford a £4K season ticket on the railways to London, and run tour groups, I guess we're from different worlds.

Football should be for all, but the working class are increasingly priced out. It isn't just a ticket to a game, especially for families, as the pressures of food, drinks, and merchandise is far more prevalent than the Maine Road days or early City of Manc days.
 
Feels like being loyal doesn't carry too many benefits.

From the ten lads I moved from Maine Road with, and my Dad, two have passed away, three feel it is too cold to go, three gave it up at the end of 2021/22, and one moved from the UK.

Moved to 118 for 2023/24 with another mate who since gave up his card for money reasons.

I moved to 115 in the South Stand last season to hang with a mate and her friend. She gave her seasoncard up this year. I'm solo in 011 now. Am I toxic?

I keep questioning how the game day atmosphere has changed at times. I get that some games are bigger than others, and that brings more interest. The lad next to me, in 011, is off to West Ham today with a tour group. He's had a seasoncard at City for 5 seasons and always gets away tickets. He often mocks how we can't sell "such cheap tickets". If he can afford a £4K season ticket on the railways to London, and run tour groups, I guess we're from different worlds.

Football should be for all, but the working class are increasingly priced out. It isn't just a ticket to a game, especially for families, as the pressures of food, drinks, and merchandise is far more prevalent than the Maine Road days or early City of Manc days.

When the people that are left don't say anything for fear of losing their SYT's you know you've made the masses capitulate and they'll stand still for fleecing.

The club don't want tribalism or real passion they want customers.

Prices have to plummet and that bourgeoise shite food and drink experience has to stop, we need to get back to basics or within a generation it'll have gone.
 
I would also add the constant media hostility towards the club and team fuels other fans to do what they want and take liberties as it’s just become quite normal to call us cheats and the inflammatory message has now stuck because the club has sat back and allowed reputational damage to accrue.The almost 3 year enquiry into the 115 charges has normalised a lot of fans towards hatred of our club as cheats,on top of these ticketing double standards it’s heading towards a tragedy happening and the club just stand and watch,while counting the money coming in,well done City,you sold out by not looking after a working class fan base.I had a season ticket in 2015 when the south stand opened and had to give it up for personal reasons,previously worked as a steward for 10 years to help the club,rang the ticket office this week to enquire about season tickets for the new stand and was told the club will make an announcement when it’s ready,no waiting list,buy your membership,once you don’t meet the past buying policy you are forgotten,priced out of the revolution,local fans priced out yet there were loads of empty seats on tv at yesterday’s game and will be on Saturday vs Sunderland,the club is alienating its core fans and these same fans have to listen to crap from other fans on media and in person because the cartel ain’t happy,what an absolute mess,who would think supporting an extremely successful club could be so polarising,want to watch it in person ? Show us your money and follow the prohibitive new rules on ticket exchange,attendance etc,don’t answer back and watch the ground fill up with tourists who are more valuable as they spend more.It feels like it’s not my club anymore.
 
This was not a moderator action. Here's a look behind the scenes at the logs. I purposely edited a random thread in the ticket forum so you can see thread title edits show up.


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Bluemoon is and always has been fiercely independent with zero oversight or pressure applied from the club. The two deleted posts in the last 5 hours were from me in the Cuddly toy (double post due to bad internet) and Jim (deleted his own post joking about Rangers). We don't routinely delete or edit posts unless they're fairly egregious and would absolutely never under any circumstances delete a post or edit a title because the club reached out. In fact, we'd tell them to politely fuck off. 99% of the time, moderators will edit thread titles for style reason - putting proper grammar in, capitalisation, etc. But it's pretty rare. And certainly not because somebody asked at City.

Tim probably thought it came across a bit harsh so edited it himself.
Interesting, do the Club actually contact BM at times
 

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