The Labour Government

[WRicko]

Starmer cow towing to China now - I fucking despair, I really do.

How is he ?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Regardless of your defence of them they have been hugely underwhelming considering the time they have been out of power and the promises made.
Most disappointing aspect of their leadership so far has been their failure to read the room on any given subject.
I’m still hopeful they can get their shit together and if I was based in the uk I’d still back then before any of the right wing shower of cunts but let’s not kid ourselves, they haven’t exactly done themselves many favours in the eyes of the majority.

what did the Romans ever do for us eh?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Regardless of your defence of them they have been hugely underwhelming considering the time they have been out of power and the promises made.
Most disappointing aspect of their leadership so far has been their failure to read the room on any given subject.
I’m still hopeful they can get their shit together and if I was based in the uk I’d still back then before any of the right wing shower of cunts but let’s not kid ourselves, they haven’t exactly done themselves many favours in the eyes of the majority.

what have they done that is so bad ?

 

[Earlyriser]

David Lammy wants to do away with Jury Trials.
Is it in the Labour manifesto?
NO.
Then go to the country and find out what happens if you try to push that particular move to an authoritarian state.

It would help if you were not overly selective. He's proposing that for any offence that carries a sentence of 3 years or under should not have a jury trial. I don't see a problem with this. The type of offences that would fall into this are those generally committed by the scum bags of society eg theft, benefit fraud, dangerous driving, drug possession and some forms of assault. Why block the courts up with these wasters.

 

[hilts]

It would help if you were not overly selective. He's proposing that for any offence that carries a sentence of 3 years or under should not have a jury trial. I don't see a problem with this. The type of offences that would fall into this are those generally committed by the scum bags of society eg theft, benefit fraud, dangerous driving, drug possession and some forms of assault. Why block the courts up with these wasters.

 

[Earlyriser]

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So you reckon the state should waste money on somebody who maybe has already gone 15 convictions or so for the current offence on which he is accused. He's broken the social contract and that should have penalties

 

[maxwellblue]

what have they done that is so bad ?

I do enjoy your posts, they never fail to make me laugh

 

[hilts]

So you reckon the state should waste money on somebody who maybe has already gone 15 convictions or so for the current offence on which he is accused. He's broken the social contract and that should have penalties

So this is only for people with 15 previous convictions and his/her 16th conviction is gonna be under 3 years.

I never knew that:-)

 

[BlueHammer85]

I do enjoy your posts, they never fail to make me laugh

Find me a government that makes no mistakes then i'll join you in laughing.

 

[west didsblue]

Regardless of your defence of them they have been hugely underwhelming considering the time they have been out of power and the promises made.
Most disappointing aspect of their leadership so far has been their failure to read the room on any given subject.
I’m still hopeful they can get their shit together and if I was based in the uk I’d still back then before any of the right wing shower of cunts but let’s not kid ourselves, they haven’t exactly done themselves many favours in the eyes of the majority.

Their PR certainly isn’t great. Starmer isn’t a lovable (to some) buffoon who spouts absolute shit at will and makes idiots laugh. He’s not a natural orator and has 75% of the media against him whatever he does, however he’s getting on with the job which is what he was elected for, and deserves the chance to see out his full five year term when he can be judged on results. So far there’s some good signs that the government is at least trying to get the legislation through parliament that would enable them to deliver what we all want which is a richer country that looks after those that are not fortunate enough to be fully able to support themselves, and invests in the infrastructure in all parts of the country rather than the ridiculous focus on London.

 

[Earlyriser]

So you reckon the state should waste money on somebody who maybe has already gone 15 convictions or so for the current offence on which he is accused. He's broken the social contract and that should have penalties

So this is only for people with 15 previous convictions and his/her 16th conviction is gonna be under 3 years.

I never knew that:-)

try reading the original post. The most recent post refers to the fact that the courts are in part being clogged up by serial offenders

 

[hilts]

try reading the original post. The most recent post refers to the fact that the courts are in part being clogged up by serial offenders

I read the post fine, I wasnt the one throwing made up scenarios around.
You dont judge a policy like that.

 

[Earlyriser]

I read the post fine, I wasnt the one throwing made up scenarios around.
You dont judge a policy like that.

Made up scenarios? 56% of those in prison for sentences of 12 months or less are repeat offenders. How many crimes of a similar nature do you think somebody should commit before being classified as a repeat offender?

 

[Vic]

It would help if you were not overly selective. He's proposing that for any offence that carries a sentence of 3 years or under should not have a jury trial. I don't see a problem with this. The type of offences that would fall into this are those generally committed by the scum bags of society eg theft, benefit fraud, dangerous driving, drug possession and some forms of assault. Why block the courts up with these wasters.

If you're a prospective juror that's a very good argument for not having juries.

 

[Vic]

So you reckon the state should waste money on somebody who maybe has already gone 15 convictions or so for the current offence on which he is accused. He's broken the social contract and that should have penalties

Allegedly

 

[Earlyriser]

Allegedly

Allegedly only applies to the current case. If the CPS see he has been charged and found guilty of similar offences in the past that is fact. If in the instance of a shoplifter he is detained on leaving the shop with goods he has not paid for and has previous convictions for that offence the balance of probability would suggest he is guilty. That's what most juries would work on anyway. Why waste the courts time.

If you're a prospective juror that's a very good argument for not having juries.

If you're a prospective juror that's a very good argument for not having juries.

You'll be relieved to know I've done my jury service

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Allegedly only applies to the current case. If the CPS see he has been charged and found guilty of similar offences in the past that is fact. If in the instance of a shoplifter he is detained on leaving the shop with goods he has not paid for and has previous convictions for that offence the balance of probability would suggest he is guilty. That's what most juries would work on anyway. Why waste the courts time.


You'll be relieved to know I've done my jury service

Having done jury service you will know that you wouldn't have had any information about the criminal records of the accused (save if they argue good character when they did not) before deliberating and making your verdict then.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Starmer cow towing to China now - I fucking despair, I really do.

We could learn a lot from the Chinese.

 

[mind your car Mr?]

You realise most of which hasn’t been fully implemented yet and going through parliament?

Anyhow

Smuggling gangs hit in largest crackdown on record

Official data reveals a 33% surge in smuggling arrests, convictions and seizures of criminal cash and assets following Keir Starmer's pledge to “smash the gangs”.

www.mirror.co.uk

More than 1,000 illegal workers removed from UK following mass immigration raids | LBC

Over 1,050 migrants were removed from the country following the Home Office's largest crackdown on illegal working on record

www.lbc.co.uk

Home Office release footage of deportations as almost 19,000 migrants removed

Social media campaigns warning about the dangers of illegal working in Britain have gone live in Vietnam and Albania, but migrants continue to cross the Channel

www.standard.co.uk

Largest crackdown on illegal workers since records began

Number of illegal working arrests skyrocket by 63% as Immigration Enforcement carry out highest level of raids in British history.

www.gov.uk

Every single one of those measures has failed to stop the boats, you're living in cloud cuckoo land blindly following your leader

 

[BlueHammer85]

Every single one of those measures has failed to stop the boats, you're living in cloud cuckoo land blindly following your leader

There’s many many more measures still going through parliament. They’ve had a year in power. Tories had 14 and Brexit increased the boat crossings. But yes, let’s blame Labour.