The Album Review Club - Week #195 (page 1310) - A New World Record - ELO

It is a terrible research tool. So regularly gets things completely wrong, and is all about the format and presentation (which is its strongest aspect). And people way too readily take it as gospel. And now it is the first result a search spits out too whether you like it or not. It is a huge backwards step for the internet and internet based fact finding.
The whole word (including my employer) has gone AI ga-ga.

But this is not the AI I dreamed about or was told would change the world 40 years ago. It's just Google on steroids. Isn't AI supposed to be something with intelligence of its own, able to connect the dots and come up with things out of nowhere? What people call AI today is just a search engine that spits out stuff other people have input months ago.

Loving reading the reviews of this album. Whilst I'm disappointed so far that no one has loved it as much as I do the responses so far have been thoughtful and considered. I will pick something simpler next time but expecting it to be universally disliked unless there are members of the thread that wear a fedora unironically
The Raiders of the Lost Ark soundtrack will go down nicely, thank you very much.
 
The whole word (including my employer) has gone AI ga-ga.

But this is not the AI I dreamed about or was told would change the world 40 years ago. It's just Google on steroids. Isn't AI supposed to be something with intelligence of its own, able to connect the dots and come up with things out of nowhere? What people call AI today is just a search engine that spits out stuff other people have input months ago.


The Raiders of the Lost Ark soundtrack will go down nicely, thank you very much.
Apologies I meant a trilby. If I'd used AI instead of relying on my memory i would have got that right
 
The whole word (including my employer) has gone AI ga-ga.

But this is not the AI I dreamed about or was told would change the world 40 years ago. It's just Google on steroids. Isn't AI supposed to be something with intelligence of its own, able to connect the dots and come up with things out of nowhere? What people call AI today is just a search engine that spits out stuff other people have input months ago.


The Raiders of the Lost Ark soundtrack will go down nicely, thank you very much.

Nice to see us agreeing on something ;).

But don't want to derail the thread. You are right though.
 
I had this down as one of my albums of the year when it came out so only seemed fair if was to pass comment to re listen to see whether it still passed muster.
Thankfully it did.
A step up from the debut I love the ambition.
I can understand if don't like the album you may call that pretentious.
As a fan of The Fall it would almost be impossible for me to complain about the vocals and they certainly don't bother me.
Listening again I wasn't surprised by this choice by Mr Belfry as at times I was reminded of an album discussed in passing by Sufjan Stevens.
I wonder whether an American voice may have been more palatable?
I always had a thought for the playlist thread about songs that close albums. I would have probably called it Last But Not Least listing my favourite closers and Basketball Shoes would have fitted the bill. A great song.
Problem was most of my picks were pretty long.
A strong loyal fan base has put al of their 3 albums in the Top 5 but I think Isaac's departure was never felt more keenly than this tears slightly disappointing effort.
Their best so far so an 8.5 out of 10 from me.

On a side note Tyler Hyde from the band is Karl Hyde's daughter from Underworld.
Less Lager Lager Lager more Pimm's Pimm's Pimm's perhaps
 
I had this down as one of my albums of the year when it came out so only seemed fair if was to pass comment to re listen to see whether it still passed muster.
Thankfully it did.
A step up from the debut I love the ambition.
I can understand if don't like the album you may call that pretentious.
As a fan of The Fall it would almost be impossible for me to complain about the vocals and they certainly don't bother me.
Listening again I wasn't surprised by this choice by Mr Belfry as at times I was reminded of an album discussed in passing by Sufjan Stevens.
I wonder whether an American voice may have been more palatable?
I always had a thought for the playlist thread about songs that close albums. I would have probably called it Last But Not Least listing my favourite closers and Basketball Shoes would have fitted the bill. A great song.
Problem was most of my picks were pretty long.
A strong loyal fan base has put al of their 3 albums in the Top 5 but I think Isaac's departure was never felt more keenly than this tears slightly disappointing effort.
Their best so far so an 8.5 out of 10 from me.

On a side note Tyler Hyde from the band is Karl Hyde's daughter from Underworld.
Less Lager Lager Lager more Pimm's Pimm's Pimm's perhaps
Losing Wood was a big deal similar to how City play without Rodri. It isn't quite the same so i found I had to reset expectation when listening to Forever Howlong. There is still plenty to enjoy but you cant expect it to be the same.
 
Losing Wood was a big deal similar to how City play without Rodri. It isn't quite the same so i found I had to reset expectation when listening to Forever Howlong. There is still plenty to enjoy but you cant expect it to be the same.
Think they needed to get this one out of the system. It's not a bad album and there is talent there so hopefully they can recapture some of the spark that made me listen in the first place
 
I was late to the party on this but I'd go as far as to say it's beautiful and as each year passes it moves me a bit more.

It's funny how it does that isn't it. Seasonal I know, but the familiarity and the wait come together to enhance it every year. I've been listening to it every December for a good few years now and every year I feel the same, like it has somehow got better than the last. Glad you noted it too, tbh.
 
You just can’t dance to ‘em
After my 3 listens I thought this was in fact dinner party music.
A group of friends in Cambridge (all vegan) sitting down after dinner and just starting to play. As they were all such good friends and not wanting to upset anyone they just let them all join in no matter what instrument they brought with them....and there they all are and a couple of the ladies get up and start swinging their arms in their Laura Ashley smock dresses that they got from the local second hand shop.

I had no idea who these were until I saw The Basketball Shoes and recalled the end of round playlist. Sadly that was after I had listened to most of this first time around and was glad to be getting off my Ryanair cramped flight so allowing me a little break. Save for "Good Will Hunting", I don't think any of the tracks really made me sit up and take note, well not really in a good way.
Every so often I would check my phone to see what track was having the needless sax injections. Overall it just seemed "too much, too involved" and didnt really make me want to swing my arms.

I am a generally upbeat person, especially after the weekend and so it was a little disappointing to have to listen to this again on the flight back. I'm afraid it is only a 4 from the Derry jury.

I did wonder what Mrs Belfry thinks of this one?
 
I did wonder what Mrs Belfry thinks of this one?
She hates everything I love. Which is bad news for the kids. She has quite a broad taste in music but thinks most things I listen to are either boring or too noisy. She listens to the radio much more than me so tends to favour individual songs whereas I tend to listen to albums more.

I just asked her "what music that I listen to do you like?" She has a good think and said "I liked Radiohead until they got boring" so that's probably upto the Bends in her mind.
 
Black Country, New Road - Ants From Up There

I get lost, I freak out. You come home and hold me tight, as if it never happened at all. Good morning.

As mentioned, the whole tortured lyrics and anguish vocals reminded me a lot of Tindersticks nomination we had on here before albeit with a lot more sax and less strings but it gave me the same tug of a heart feeling, It took a few listens to get this to click - first listen was rather painful but I knew it would grip me eventually, and it did.
I want to just pick up a couple bits on Foggys review - firstly i'm glad he gave this a real go and persistently listened - it really pays off and wish others (if they have the time) would do the same rather than reviewing after a couple days - however, each to their own.
Only umbrage i have with Foggys point about front man Isaac Wood being 'genuine' with his grief and vocals rather than Thom Yorke who rides limos etc - i think this is unfair, are we to say had Isaac Wood not left the band due to mental health reasons and instead stays and enjoys life that we deduct points here ? The songs and music should solely be judged, not whether the frontman has to have a nervous breakdown for us to give it more kudos although i can admit it does add some spice, Thom Yorke can turn into Ed Davey outside the studio for all care - I will judge on the music, lyrics etc solely.
anyway, back to this - it really is a beautiful album, I love the raw emotion of Isaac Woods voice, it suits perfect to the music and overall theme - I love how each song tracks build and slow and build again, I normally dislike out of sync time signatures but somehow this all clicked, each listen I found something new. Hard to decide which two tracks to put on the Bluemoon Album Review playlist feels like I've got the tune to 'Place Where He Inserted The Blade' permantly stuck in my head but I'll go for 'Concorde' & 'Basketball Shoes'. Good pick!

8/10
 
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Black Country, New Road - Ants From Up There

I get lost, I freak out. You come home and hold me tight, as if it never happened at all. Good morning.

As mentioned, the whole tortured lyrics and anguish vocals reminded me a lot of Tindersticks nomination we had on here before albeit with a lot more sax and less strings but it gave me the same tug of a heart feeling, It took a few listens to get this to click - first listen was rather painful but I knew it would grip me eventually, and it did.
I want to just pick up a couple bits on Foggys review - firstly i'm glad he gave this a real go and persistently listened - it really pays off and wish others (if they have the time) would do the same rather than reviewing after a couple days - however, each to their own.
Only umbrage i have with Foggys point about front man Isaac Wood being 'genuine' with his grief and vocals rather than Thom Yorke who rides limos etc - i think this is unfair, are we to say had Isaac Wood not left the band due to mental health reasons and instead stays and enjoys life that we deduct points here ? The songs and music should solely be judged, not whether the frontman has to have a nervous breakdown for us to give it more kudos although i can admit it does add some spice, Thom Yorke can turn into Ed Davey outside the studio for all care - I will judge on the music, lyrics etc solely.
anyway, back to this - it really is a beautiful album, I love the raw emotion of Isaac Woods voice, it suits perfect to the music and overall theme - I love how each song tracks build and slow and build again, I normally dislike out of sync time signatures but somehow this all clicked, each listen I found something new. Hard to decide which two tracks to put on the Bluemoon Album Review playlist feels like I've got the tune to 'Place Where He Inserted The Blade' permantly stuck in my head but I'll go for 'Concorde' & 'Basketball Shoes'. Good pick!

8/10
I appreciate the kudos. TBH I don’t always have the time or inclination to put a shift in nor do others but this week I did and this thing grabbed me by the neck and wouldn’t let go! Such an interesting record.

The comments on Yorke really go back to me thinking his angst is absolutely phony (whether he’s rich or not) vs. Woods’ which I determined was real. The limo comments are actually a paraphrase from one of your heroes, one Noel Gallagher, who agrees with me about Yorke’s moaning about his job in interviews :) The latter informs the former but I knew that his down-in-the-mouth schtick was all an act before I ever heard him in the press. I knew it from the first verse of Creep.
 
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Ants From Up There - Black Country, New Road

I never felt the crumbs until you said
"This place is not for any man
Nor particles of bread"


I'm glad my review is actually after BH85's, because that's always a good reminder that it's getting late and I'd better weigh in on this, and a lot of what is noted is also how I feel about this album, and a few other good points on a couple lead singers.

I remembered "Basketball Shoes" from our May interlude. You know, the song that had nothing to do with sports or much less its title. That 12 minute plus song (which easily exceeded Rob's 9 minute limit mark) was just a preview for what this album would deliver, just even more of the same: quirky, painful, detached, yet spot on. And let me take a moment to also thank Rob for what was my favourite review of the album from a narrative point of view, even if we may not see eye to eye on this one. Had I known @mrbelfry better than I think I do now, this song would be a dead giveaway, and maybe I should have just listened to this whole album at the time to really have it properly narrowed down and hammered home, because as interesting as the lyrics are here in a strange way, I feel like I get to read honesty in a review weekly here in a similar fashion that I don't always understand, but never leaves me without thought afterwards.

The "Intro" here set us up perfectly for "Chaos Space Marine", which was enjoyable with all the instruments sounding off at a seemingly oddball kind of way, until you realize it's all part of the plan. Once the violins come in at around 1:20 in, I had a strong Arcade Fire feeling that really couldn't be denied. The "Concorde" was mentioned in at least 4 songs, including the one with the song title.

"Bread Song" is a standout, a slow burn that reminds me of something off of Radioheads' A Moon Shaped Pool period. I'm sure there's better comparisons, but that's all I got tonight, but it is undeniably haunting with the sticks and the slow guitar sounds that drives us through the story of distant love and pain and symbol of the breadcrumbs left in bed behind.

This is definitely an album that needs time, and I'm not sure that a week is going to be enough, because my feeling now isn't the same as it was after the first listen. The weak part of the album to me before it redeems itself with the final 3 songs is probably something I'd appreciate more over time, especially the complexity of "Haldern" musically.

I don't mind Isaac Wood's vocal delivery at all either. I didn't think too much about it until I read some reviews here. I wouldn't want it sounding different because there's a strong emotive presence and delivery that speaks to the feelings of the songs written.

I like the 3 closers after each other - 7, 9 and 12 minute numbers can deliver that well. "The Place Where He Inserted the Blade" musically is amazing and conveys real pain in trying to move on from emotional wounds, and there's that mention of the "Concorde" again and the group musical harmonization at the end again reminds me of a strong Arcade Fire song where everything builds up, but this one moves along slower.

"Snow Globes" is right up there as another powerful song, and you then realize there's that final real closer they still have up their sleeve to know this won't be it. I liked the loneliness theme in this with the title metaphor for being trapped in one's own world or circumstances. And sometimes that needs to be shaken to really make things happen. Did this need to be 9 minutes? Maybe not, but I will say that the music variation and strong percussion as the chorus refrain repeats until the end is pretty powerful.

I tried to tie this all together with the final song that mentions the Concorde again in the first line, but I struggled until I read one review that seemed to capture the album and Wood's "sudden" departure as this all makes sense, to the point of - I wonder if he didn't have this planned all along?

The whole album is a metaphor for his toxic relationship with his fans. The more fans he gains, the more expectations he must meet. Through his lyrics, he is leaving his breadcrumbs in our beds: we are the toxic lover. We are the Concorde.

Either way, I found this album very compelling and musically in the same vein of bands I enjoy and a challenging listen. While I'm not feeling what Wood is feeling, the effort and music that is along for the ride of the challenging lyrics is pretty varied and compelling. It's an appreciative 7.5/10 for me for the slow burn and feast of strong closures that each one up the previous track.
 
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Ants From Up There - Black Country, New Road

I never felt the crumbs until you said
"This place is not for any man
Nor particles of bread"


I'm glad my review is actually after BH85's, because that's always a good reminder that it's getting late and I'd better weigh in on this, and a lot of what is noted is also how I feel about this album, and a few other good points on a couple lead singers.

I remembered "Basketball Shoes" from our May interlude, you know, the song that had nothing to do with sports or much less its title. That 12 minute plus song (which easily exceeded Rob's 9 minute limit mark) was just a preview for what this album would deliver, just even more of the same: quirky, painful, detached, yet spot on. And let me take a moment to also thank Rob for what was my favourite review of the album from a narrative point of view, even if we may not see eye to eye on this one. Had I know @mrbelfry better than I think I do now, this song would be a dead giveaway, and maybe I should have just listened to this whole album at the time to really have it properly narrowed down and hammered home, because as interesting as the lyrics are here in a strange way, I feel like I get to read honesty in a review weekly here in a similar fashion that I don't always understand, but never leaves me without thought afterwards.

The "Intro" here set us up perfectly for "Chaos Space Marine", which was enjoyable with all the instruments sounding off at a seemingly oddball kind of way, until you realize it's all part of the plan. Once the violins come in at around 1:20 in, I had a strong Arcade Fire feeling that really couldn't be denied. The "Concorde" was mentioned in at least 4 songs, including the one with the song title.

"Bread Song" is a standout, a slow burn that reminds me of something off of Radioheads' A Moon Shaped Pool period. I'm sure there's better comparisons, but that's all I got tonight, but it is undeniably haunting with the sticks and the slow guitar sounds that drives us through the story of distant love and pain and symbol of the breadcrumbs left in bed behind.

This is definitely an album that needs time, and I'm not sure that a week is going to be enough, because my feeling now isn't the same as it was after the first listen. The weak part of the album to me before it redeems itself with the final 3 songs is probably something I'd appreciate more over time, especially the complexity of "Haldern" musically.

I don't mind Isaac Wood's vocal delivery at all either. I didn't think too much about it until I read some reviews here. I wouldn't want it sounding different because there's a strong emotive presence and delivery that speaks to the feelings of the songs written.

I like the 3 closers after each other - 7, 9 and 12 minute numbers can deliver that well. "The Place Where He Inserted the Blade" musically is amazing and conveys real pain in trying to move on from emotional wounds, and there's that mention of the "Concorde" again and the group musical harmonization at the end again reminds me of a strong Arcade Fire song where everything builds up, but this one moves along slower.

"Snow Globes" is right up there as another powerful song, and you then realize there's that final real closer they still have up their sleeve to know this won't be it. I liked the loneliness theme in this with the title metaphor for being trapped in one's own world or circumstances. And sometimes that needs to be shaken to really make things happen. Did this need to be 9 minutes? Maybe not, but I will say that the music variation and strong percussion as the chorus refrain repeats until the end is pretty powerful.

I tried to tie this all together with the final song that mentions the Concorde again in the first line, but I struggled until I read one review that seemed to capture the album and Wood's "sudden" departure as this all makes sense, to the point of - I wonder if he didn't have this planned all along?

The whole album is a metaphor for his toxic relationship with his fans. The more fans he gains, the more expectations he must meet. Through his lyrics, he is leaving his breadcrumbs in our beds: we are the toxic lover. We are the Concorde.

Either way, I found this album very compelling and musically in the same vein of bands I enjoy and a challenging listen. While I'm not feeling what Wood is feeling, the effort and music that is along for the ride of the challenging lyrics is pretty varied and compelling. It's an appreciative 7.5/10 for me for the slow burn and feast of strong closures that each one up the previous track.
Superb review!
 
Black Country, New Roads Ants From Up there.



I remember ‘Baseball Shoes’ from a previous thread and is a track I liked and still do.
I like my melancholy and this has plenty ,sadly probably because of Isacc Wood’s state of mind.In a way it’s similar to Frightened Rabbit on that score but Scott Hutchinson’s songs were much more melodic.
However I don’t mnd IW voice on most tracks,he reminds me of David Berman of The Silver Jews on some songs.
I like the variation in instrumentation, unfortunately the album is a bit too long and grates after a bit.
I particularly like the last 3 songs and ‘Bread’

It was a more difficult listen than most weeks but I found a lot to admire.


An excellent pick Mr B.

7/10
 
The later the review the greater the appreciation for this album, or so it seems. So by rights this should be getting on for a 10 from me. But you just know it isn't going to work like that.

It's true of most music that you have to give it time to permeate. My initial reaction on first listen to this would have seen it dismissed as a 4 and based on that reaction I could have crammed my further two listens in without listening just to make me feel I'd given it it's due.

It's fair to say it's grown on me... a bit. But not much. I like to submit my reviews late and I could have been cutting it really fine if I'd waited till this afternoon and taken the opportunity to give it one more listen on my drive into Manchester this morning. But I know enough to know that this isn't what I want to listen to while stuck in traffic. Suffocating would be the experience.

Early dismissal by someone, I can't remember who, more or less said there were some nice and interesting bits but it's a pity etc etc. I think that is where I am. In some ways they put me in mind of King Crimson. Not musically but in the way that some very melodic music can be followed by something apparently experimental but ultimately unlistenable.

Partly it's the vocals but given, like @Out on blue 6 I am a fan of the Fall maybe I should be more forgiving of them. Unless I've missed it though I think it's the lack of humour or humility here that grates. Along with the delivery of course.

Musically, others have made the point. Too many instruments? No, not that, it's the lack of coherence as though everyone is in a competition to see who can be the most experimental or the most annoying.

It's not a joke though is it? Angst drips from the speakers. Many years ago I'd have probably appreciated the tortured artist aspect of this, the soul baring. And kudos to those of you who have given it the time of day. I'd like to think I'm still empathic but maybe the 30 odd plus years I spent as a psychiatric nurse somewhat inoculated me against other peoples' misery. I say all that but maybe I've missed the point.

@mrbelfry mentioned there were potentially five closers to this album. It's an easy jibe but I'll make it anyway. I think that I'd have settled for the first of those five being the closer. If that meant I didn't then have to listen to the other four.

There are potentially grand moments and some good smaller moments but well, overall...

Strikes me I'm becoming a bit conservative in my old age. I didn't like Wet Leg, I don't particularly like this but I do still try to keep my ear to the ground for new music. Heck I've even got into hip hop and rap a bit recently so I must be open minded? This isn't the first time I've listened to Black Country, New Road. I remember giving them a listen when their debut was making quite a stir and possibly winning a prize. I didn't get it then and I don't get it now. It might not be the last time I listen to them but the next time won't be soon. It's been a drag. I'll give it 5
 
I appreciate the kudos. TBH I don’t always have the time or inclination to put a shift in nor do others but this week I did and this thing grabbed me by the neck and wouldn’t let go! Such an interesting record.

The comments on Yorke really go back to me thinking his angst is absolutely phony (whether he’s rich or not) vs. Woods’ which I determined was real. The limo comments are actually a paraphrase from one of your heroes, one Noel Gallagher, who agrees with me about Yorke’s moaning about his job in interviews :) The latter informs the former but I knew that his down-in-the-mouth schtick was all an act before I ever heard him in the press. I knew it from the first verse of Creep.
I don't think you're meant to take Creep seriously. I think it's a joke that got way out of hand
 

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