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gordondaviesmoustache said:
tbf, the ball got rolling before he was elected in 2016. Russia definitely influenced the Brexit vote although I can’t say whether it was determinative or not. Russia has been plotting this for years.
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Russia has always had a “front line” attitude towards the destabilization of the EU, by undermining it through individual states. However, the notion that an American President…ANY American President…would cozy up to a belligerent, expansive, aggressive and destructive Russian leader…ANY Russian Leader…would have been considered ridiculous until now!!!

Having the de facto leader of NATO openly speaking out against Western defence, and imposing severe economic tariffs on its economic allies, all while calling for a European nation to cede territory to Russia and deplete its army to levels that make its future national defence against its greatest natural threat virtually impossible, FEELS a bit of an escalation in Russian “influence.”

Again, it’s only a feeling, but it is very, very hard not to believe that Trump is giving Putin almost everything he wants for one of three reasons, none of which bode well:

1) He is compromised, probably financially.
2) He isn’t compromised because he’s always been an agent.
3) He’s made off book deals for the post-President era and doesn’t want to turn off that spigot for the sake of anything, least of all a European liberal democracy or group of them.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Russia has always had a “front line” attitude towards the destabilization of the EU, by undermining it through individual states. However, the notion that an American President…ANY American President…would cozy up to a belligerent, expansive, aggressive and destructive Russian leader…ANY Russian Leader…would have been considered ridiculous until now!!!

Having the de facto leader of NATO openly speaking out against Western defence, and imposing severe economic tariffs on its economic allies, all while calling for a European nation to cede territory to Russia and deplete its army to levels that make its future national defence against its greatest natural threat virtually impossible, FEELS a bit of an escalation in Russian “influence.”

Again, it’s only a feeling, but it is very, very hard not to believe that Trump is giving Putin almost everything he wants for one of three reasons, none of which bode well:

1) He is compromised, probably financially.
2) He isn’t compromised because he’s always been an agent.
3) He’s made off book deals for the post-President era and doesn’t want to turn off that spigot for the sake of anything, least of all a European liberal democracy or group of them.
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Don’t see 3 being mutually exclusive to either 1 or 2.

Inconceivable that there hasn’t been huge sums of money involved in shaping the relationship, both historically and in terms of current conduct. No other explanation around his attitude to Russia makes nearly s much sense, including pee-pee tapes. It all makes complete sense when you consider the actors involved, what motivates them, their actions and the means at their disposal.

Does Putin have the means and motivation to enrich others to the tune of billions? Unquestionably, yes.

Is Trump motivated by money to the extent that it would exclude all other considerations? Unquestionably, yes.

Anyone thinking this isn’t at least likely is hopelessly naive. It’s plainly the most rational explanation for the current playbook.
 
In my defence, my first point was the loans he received for building, as Eric said, and the Russian money laundering deal he did for the Palm Beach property Epstein wanted.

The third was more about Trump buildings in Russia and places where Russia decides what’s what.

However, in essence, it all boils down to one thing in the end…he is compromised and willing to do whatever is needed to protect himself and his family, especially if that means adding zeroes to his asset base.

The day he leaves…box or otherwise…will be a joyous day amongst all right thinking peoples across the world. He is a poison and the gullibility of a significant portion of the American voting bloc has served a large dose of it to the rest of the world.

It would be great to absolutely smash him and the Republicans in November, but the Can’t Shoot Straight Gang of Democrats running the show are so weak and ineffective even that isn’t a given, and then find out he had a widow-maker, Elvis-style, in the middle of a 3am Truth Social rant about how healthy he is!

Santa, are you listening?
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I sympathize entirely.

The video did surprise me (it shouldn't have) though about the US stated policy towards European governments. The policy is to seek regime change - support far right candidates for office while undermining liberal governments; the ideology that emigration is destroying Europe by diluting a nation's identity and thus that the United States has an obligation to put an end to emigration and to save Europe; seek to break up the EU; identification of Europe as a threat to the United States; and so on.
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Let’s not forget Elon Musks role in all this and the power of social media- it’s completely run by Russian accounts destabilising the West.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Again, it’s only a feeling, but it is very, very hard not to believe that Trump is giving Putin almost everything he wants for one of three reasons, none of which bode well:

1) He is compromised, probably financially.
2) He isn’t compromised because he’s always been an agent.
3) He’s made off book deals for the post-President era and doesn’t want to turn off that spigot for the sake of anything, least of all a European liberal democracy or group of them.
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Your feeling might be right. However, consider that:
1) Trump likes strong men - Putin is just his sort of type;
2) Trump has deals in Russia - he's predisposed to favor Russia;
3) Trump has a nose for politics - he doesn't seem to have any particular agenda except that which seems to please his base. And his base - Republicans - a faction of which are far right leaning - praise the likes of Viktor Orbán;
4) Trump's cabinet is populated with yes-men - most of whom are anti-Europe and some few of which crafted Project 2025;
5) Trump listens to whomever talks to him last - and his policies swing wildly and unpredictably because of this.

In other words, there's plenty of reasons why Trump would be hostile to Europe absent your points 1-3.
 
PinkFinal said:
Just watching Fuentes v Piers Morgan
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A clip of this was shown on Newsnight last night with one of his targets on the sofa - Danny Finkelstein - 30 mins in
As previously mentioned Musk monetizing this sort of hatespeak and using it to poison the communication networks he owns is the brute fact here.
www.bbc.co.uk

Newsnight - Collapse of the NHS?

The NHS risks collapse if doctors strike during the superflu crisis, so says the health secretary tonight. Is he fighting the flu or the medical profession?
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Russia has always had a “front line” attitude towards the destabilization of the EU, by undermining it through individual states. However, the notion that an American President…ANY American President…would cozy up to a belligerent, expansive, aggressive and destructive Russian leader…ANY Russian Leader…would have been considered ridiculous until now!!!

Having the de facto leader of NATO openly speaking out against Western defence, and imposing severe economic tariffs on its economic allies, all while calling for a European nation to cede territory to Russia and deplete its army to levels that make its future national defence against its greatest natural threat virtually impossible, FEELS a bit of an escalation in Russian “influence.”

Again, it’s only a feeling, but it is very, very hard not to believe that Trump is giving Putin almost everything he wants for one of three reasons, none of which bode well:

1) He is compromised, probably financially.
2) He isn’t compromised because he’s always been an agent.
3) He’s made off book deals for the post-President era and doesn’t want to turn off that spigot for the sake of anything, least of all a European liberal democracy or group of them.
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It’s all about the money. Trump believes he and his family will get a rake off from rare earths, oil, etc etc if Russian has the east. Putin will cross him if that comes about but Trump is naive and hasn’t considered this.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Your feeling might be right. However, consider that:
1) Trump likes strong men - Putin is just his sort of type;
2) Trump has deals in Russia - he's predisposed to favor Russia;
3) Trump has a nose for politics - he doesn't seem to have any particular agenda except that which seems to please his base. And his base - Republicans - a faction of which are far right leaning - praise the likes of Viktor Orbán;
4) Trump's cabinet is populated with yes-men - most of whom are anti-Europe and some few of which crafted Project 2025;
5) Trump listens to whomever talks to him last - and his policies swing wildly and unpredictably because of this.

In other words, there's plenty of reasons why Trump would be hostile to Europe absent your points 1-3.
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+1

Also, that Trump bears a grudge against Zelensky for refusing to frame Hunter Biden for him.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
+1

Also, that Trump bears a grudge against Zelensky for refusing to frame Hunter Biden for him.
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I think its all immaterial - he hasn't got long - he has deteriorated visibly since being sworn in and that was only January - 3 MRI scans in 10 months - falling asleep in meetings - bruised hands - can't walk - leaning on fake "Melania" to be guided to the chopper on the WH Lawn. When he has a massive stroke or becomes a vegetable it will be a bloodbath in the Republican Party as they fight for position or fight to distance themselves from him ( see MTG ) - their problem is nobody else will attract the unwavering devotion amongst the MAGA that he does. Also when he goes Putin can just flood the press with all the receipts he has if any replacement isn't his choice.
 


I think we are starting to see why they chose a woman who shot her dog and rationalized it as the head of Deportations.

CRUELTY is the point!
 
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Blue_Lightsaber said:


I think we are starting to see why they chose a woman who shot her dog and rationalized it as the head of Deportations.

CRUELTY is the point!
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Cruelty was always the point.

Remember in his first term when his border agency was separating children from their parents at the border and holding them in cages? Many of those children will never be reunited with their biological parents.

Let that sink in.

law.yale.edu

Lowenstein Clinic and Partners Publish Report on Family Separations at U.S. Border

Efforts by the U.S. to help children separated from their families at the border have not adequately reckoned with the severe harm inflicted on them, the report says.
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Apologies for repeating myself, but it looks highly likely that they are holding back his health issues.

My question is, if or when the Dems retake the Presidency and they can show from these documents that he had dementia when making all his pardons and executive orders, then does that potentially make any decision made, void?

Including pardons for those who are likely expecting a pardon for doing his work?

Such as Hegseth, Noem, etc?
 
Salford_Blue said:
Apologies for repeating myself, but it looks highly likely that they are holding back his health issues.

My question is, if or when the Dems retake the Presidency and they can show from these documents that he had dementia when making all his pardons and executive orders, then does that potentially make any decision made, void?

Including pardons for those who are likely expecting a pardon for doing his work?

Such as Hegseth, Noem, etc?
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Not a constitutional expert, but whilst there’s now a mechanism to remove a President that lacks capacity (25th amendment, section 4) I don’t think there’s any means to void decisions, although repealing/reversing decisions will clearly be in the gift of any successor by way of Executive Order.
 
I think the best thing for the Dems to do when back in power is to leave Republicans alone and deal with the mess.
They should let those who have committed illegal acts sneak away and become invisible.

Only then should the full force of the law take its place. To do it straight away would lead to chaos.
The Republicans would be ready for it and it would end up in a political bloodbath.
No, the Dems should take their time, stay out of it and let the justice department deal with them one by one...
 
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