Boycotting US stuff

Sorry you may have missed my previous couple of questions as a follow up to your answer on the US administration:

Do you view Russia as our enemy?

And do you think we are at war with Russia?
Apologies for the delay in getting back to you and not answering a genuine question, rather than responding to the bluster and nonsense on the thread.

Yes, I think its right to regard Russia as an enemy. Hard not to regard them as such and describing them as an adversary seems far too lenient and doesn't capture the malicious nature of their activities.

I don't however believe we're at war with them, not in the traditional sense anyway. Others obviously have different opinions on that, but personally I'm not certain that Russia's actions are currently materially worse than they were during the cold war, which obviously didn't result in full scale conflict. It did however require much higher levels of military spending and preparedness to prevent a full scale conflict from occurring, which I think is roughly where we are now.

What do you believe?
 
I predict that this country and our European friends and neighbours will be at war with the USA and her key strategic partner, Russia, within my lifetime. And I would expect to live for another 25-30 years.
 
Russia has the current president and many of his government on their payroll. They are helping to shape US policies and it's not even discrete anymore but no, nothing to see here.
Move on and stop being nasty to poor Donald who is just trying his best.

Yeah, there's fucking bluster and nonsense galore on this thread alright and no surprise it's mainly from the right wingers.
 
Apologies for the delay in getting back to you and not answering a genuine question, rather than responding to the bluster and nonsense on the thread.

Yes, I think its right to regard Russia as an enemy. Hard not to regard them as such and describing them as an adversary seems far too lenient and doesn't capture the malicious nature of their activities.

I don't however believe we're at war with them, not in the traditional sense anyway. Others obviously have different opinions on that, but personally I'm not certain that Russia's actions are currently materially worse than they were during the cold war, which obviously didn't result in full scale conflict. It did however require much higher levels of military spending and preparedness to prevent a full scale conflict from occurring, which I think is roughly where we are now.

What do you believe?
Well obviously they were both leading questions to which I would perhaps not surprisingly answer ‘yes’ x2.

Relations between nations always operate (and evolve) within a spectrum, and just because a nation is inimical, or even hostile to another it doesn’t follow they are at war; however I am struggling to see how else our current relationship with Russia could otherwise be characterised; true it isn't ‘hot’ warfare in the conventional sense, but the scale, scope, intent and nature of their conduct towards the UK over the course of the last decade or so unquestionably descends into waging war imo. We are also unquestionably heavily involved in fighting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; a war that is being fought against a truly disgusting regime, and for me, unquestionably represents a battle of good against evil - there is no other description that does it sufficient justice.

Against the backdrop, I feel your deployment of the word ‘absurd’ to characterise the suggestion that the US administration is not our friend and ally is a grossly inappropriate word to use, because ‘absurd’ connotes something that is not arguable, which in my view is itself absurd.

To draw a personal analogy (albeit a theoretical one) if there was someone down my local boozer who was a bit of a tit towards me or even someone I’d had a few run-ins with and I saw one of my friends having a laugh with them at the bar, it wouldn’t especially bother me; but if this same person had fucked my wife, stolen off me and actively tried to discredit me over a sustained period and the same interaction between them took place I would no longer consider that person as my friend, or ally in a personal sense.

I realise this is a gross simplification, but as a metaphor I feel it is apposite and highly illustrative.

Russia seeks to destroy us and any country that equivocates around their dealings with them cannot be considered a friend to this country.

And Trump does not equivocate. He sides with our enemy again and again - and so be is not our friend, and nor is he our ally.

For me, it really is as straightforward as that, and I certainly don’t feel that perspective could fairly or properly be described as absurd.
 
Well obviously they were both leading questions to which I would perhaps not surprisingly answer ‘yes’ x2.

Relations between nations always operate (and evolve) within a spectrum, and just because a nation is inimical, or even hostile to another it doesn’t follow they are at war; however I am struggling to see how else our current relationship with Russia could otherwise be characterised; true it isn't ‘hot’ warfare in the conventional sense, but the scale, scope, intent and nature of their conduct towards the UK over the course of the last decade or so unquestionably descends into waging war imo. We are also unquestionably heavily involved in fighting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; a war that is being fought against a truly disgusting regime, and for me, unquestionably represents a battle of good against evil - there is no other description that does it sufficient justice.

Against the backdrop, I feel your deployment of the word ‘absurd’ to characterise the suggestion that the US administration is not our friend and ally is a grossly inappropriate word to use, because ‘absurd’ connotes something that is not arguable, which in my view is itself absurd.

To draw a personal analogy (albeit a theoretical one) if there was someone down my local boozer who was a bit of a tit towards me or even someone I’d had a few run-ins with and I saw one of my friends having a laugh with them at the bar, it wouldn’t especially bother me; but if this same person had fucked my wife, stolen off me and actively tried to discredit me over a sustained period and the same interaction between them took place I would no longer consider that person as my friend, or ally in a personal sense.

I realise this is a gross simplification, but as a metaphor I feel it is apposite and highly illustrative.

Russia seeks to destroy us and any country that equivocates around their dealings with them cannot be considered a friend to this country.

And Trump does not equivocate. He sides with our enemy again and again - and so be is not our friend, and nor is he our ally.

For me, it really is as straightforward as that, and I certainly don’t feel that perspective could fairly or properly be described as absurd.
I don't agree with your argument, or indeed your analogy, and I still believe it's absurd to suggest that the current US government is not an ally and friend to the UK.

The degree of intelligence sharing which still occurs between the UK and US, even after the recent disagreement around activities within the Caribbean, is in itself sufficient to prove that. Trade relations between the UK and US, although clearly impaired by the current US administration, are on the whole preferable to the US Most Favoured Nation status and will be better than those offered to other countries and trading blocs once the negotiations have concluded.

My opinion won't be popular on this forum, it rarely is, but there you go.
 
I don't agree with your argument, or indeed your analogy, and I still believe it's absurd to suggest that the current US government is not an ally and friend to the UK.

The degree of intelligence sharing which still occurs between the UK and US, even after the recent disagreement around activities within the Caribbean, is in itself sufficient to prove that. Trade relations between the UK and US, although clearly impaired by the current US administration, are on the whole preferable to the US Most Favoured Nation status and will be better than those offered to other countries and trading blocs once the negotiations have concluded.

My opinion won't be popular on this forum, it rarely is, but there you go.
You’ve conspicuously failed to make any reference my reason for my perspective on this, namely this administration’s disposition towards Russia, a country you acknowledge is our enemy. The points you raise simply don’t address that.

You might not agree with my argument but you’ve done nothing to challenge it.
 
Not touched any American products for a while and refused to get my son his little tipple, JD. Also refuse to visit America and prefer to listen to those that know where this is going/has gone.

This isn’t about the past, it’s about the here and now, and if you support the current US government, or not.
 
I think it's getting easier with google to research who someone is and who they support.

I don't think you need to boycott everything american but definitely boycott businesses and states that are trying to destroy your life!

China.. yes CHINA has specifically targeted Trump voters by not buying anymore soybeans.

Canada has targeted Trump voters by not buying anymore Bourbon, not visiting Vegas and not buying vacation homes in America anymore.

All these are having an effect which is why 23 states are now in recession..

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I don't agree with your argument, or indeed your analogy, and I still believe it's absurd to suggest that the current US government is not an ally and friend to the UK.

The degree of intelligence sharing which still occurs between the UK and US, even after the recent disagreement around activities within the Caribbean, is in itself sufficient to prove that. Trade relations between the UK and US, although clearly impaired by the current US administration, are on the whole preferable to the US Most Favoured Nation status and will be better than those offered to other countries and trading blocs once the negotiations have concluded.

My opinion won't be popular on this forum, it rarely is, but there you go.
You’re right . . . today.

I think the reason your opinion is not popular is that it may not be that way tomorrow, when asking about tomorrow was never even a question for decades. Every single person who was once called hysterical about Trump being a complete wildcard (at best) has been spot on. Those who have assumed he’d be status quo bog-standard GOPer have been wrong. Desperately, stupidly wrong.

It’s not absurd to suggest the relationship could be tested significantly in the years — or even the days — to come.
 
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Bore off, it works out for the country you muppet.
So there is no other way around it? How far would that turd in office have to go there before your morals would kick in? An Austrian bloke once had a lot of power. If he’d sorted Britain out financially would you have said crack on across everywhere else mate!
 
Don't think I buy much american physically produced stuff tbf, it would be only tv subscriptions (netflix, prime) using google which is due to my android phone and having to use either visa/mastercard or paypal for purchasing or getting money from an atm ( no local bank branches left in most parts manchester) so no get around.

Basically it is impossible to completely boycott, but as most my shopping is at Lidl and their own products and clothing, household goods made in asia or british/european brands most stuff isn't american made.
 
Time to give these evil racist gangsters a miss where you can - buy British/European given the choice and support football clubs not part of a US Hedge fund.

Trump's America is not welcome on these shores.
City, well the CFG, are over 18% owned by Septics. And I think, over time, that’s only going to grow. We, well the CFG, have Septics on our board n’all.
 
Well obviously they were both leading questions to which I would perhaps not surprisingly answer ‘yes’ x2.

Relations between nations always operate (and evolve) within a spectrum, and just because a nation is inimical, or even hostile to another it doesn’t follow they are at war; however I am struggling to see how else our current relationship with Russia could otherwise be characterised; true it isn't ‘hot’ warfare in the conventional sense, but the scale, scope, intent and nature of their conduct towards the UK over the course of the last decade or so unquestionably descends into waging war imo. We are also unquestionably heavily involved in fighting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; a war that is being fought against a truly disgusting regime, and for me, unquestionably represents a battle of good against evil - there is no other description that does it sufficient justice.

Against the backdrop, I feel your deployment of the word ‘absurd’ to characterise the suggestion that the US administration is not our friend and ally is a grossly inappropriate word to use, because ‘absurd’ connotes something that is not arguable, which in my view is itself absurd.

To draw a personal analogy (albeit a theoretical one) if there was someone down my local boozer who was a bit of a tit towards me or even someone I’d had a few run-ins with and I saw one of my friends having a laugh with them at the bar, it wouldn’t especially bother me; but if this same person had fucked my wife, stolen off me and actively tried to discredit me over a sustained period and the same interaction between them took place I would no longer consider that person as my friend, or ally in a personal sense.

I realise this is a gross simplification, but as a metaphor I feel it is apposite and highly illustrative.

Russia seeks to destroy us and any country that equivocates around their dealings with them cannot be considered a friend to this country.

And Trump does not equivocate. He sides with our enemy again and again - and so be is not our friend, and nor is he our ally.

For me, it really is as straightforward as that, and I certainly don’t feel that perspective could fairly or properly be described as absurd.
Why is russia an enemy? Seems a bit ott to me
 
So there is no other way around it? How far would that turd in office have to go there before your morals would kick in? An Austrian bloke once had a lot of power. If he’d sorted Britain out financially would you have said crack on across everywhere else mate!
Oh dear just keep digging Daft Donald won’t be around for ever but America will, we need the US as does the rest of the world it’s the worlds biggest consumer which works for the rest of us. Don’t forget the yanks stopped a bloke from Austria otherwise you’d have known what evil really was.
 
Oh dear just keep digging Daft Donald won’t be around for ever but America will, we need the US as does the rest of the world it’s the worlds biggest consumer which works for the rest of us. Don’t forget the yanks stopped a bloke from Austria otherwise you’d have known what evil really was.
"the yanks stopped a bloke from Austria...."

Good grief. Are you an American making a WW2 film?
 
Oh dear just keep digging Daft Donald won’t be around for ever but America will, we need the US as does the rest of the world it’s the worlds biggest consumer which works for the rest of us. Don’t forget the yanks stopped a bloke from Austria otherwise you’d have known what evil really was.
Really? the yanks won the war myth?

yes their supplies and resources were vital to both us and the sovieta, but the british and commonwealth, the soviets and many partisans were involved in winning the war in europe while the yanks only make films abput their triumps yet omit they were sinking their own tanks too far off shore at omaha beach, hence why it was the bloodiest.

Add Africa and Italy had already been taken from Axis control by the "D-Day Dodgers", We cracked the enigma code and Russia entered berlin first and it really is quite revisionist to. claim we would be all speaking german or such nosense, and instead of trying to take all tge credit admit it was an allied effort and every war America goes into alone it has been humiliated.
 

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